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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#104201: Oct 31st 2015 at 6:47:13 PM

Coders aren't a service industry. I mean, you hire labor to produce something, but that's not the definition of service. I mean things where, you need someone physically there to serve the customer directly. And as for coding, a lot of that is due to offshoring not robots.

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#104202: Oct 31st 2015 at 6:47:31 PM

[up][up] Color coded for convenience, of course.

edited 31st Oct '15 6:47:42 PM by ILoveDogs

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#104203: Oct 31st 2015 at 6:48:17 PM

All I'm trying to say is that it's not enough to say, "We need to change." To quote Dirty Harry: "I hate the goddamn system. But until someone comes along with changes that make sense, I'll stick with it."

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#104204: Oct 31st 2015 at 6:50:51 PM

Okay, who among the Democrats is saying we should change X without giving any indication of how we should change it? Every example I can think of has some kind of reason behind why we should do it and how we could take steps towards doing it.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#104205: Oct 31st 2015 at 6:50:52 PM

[up][up][up] Indeed the virtuous poor do tend to have similarities to the person making the distinction, but to be fair many group rednecks as part of the unvirtous poor, although I have observed this phenomenon amongst people I know, e.g mostly Northerners, so one could argue that they are still looking down on people who are not of their "group."

[up] I think he's referring more to the guys who said that it's great that the old America is leaving, rather to the Presidential candidates themselves.

edited 31st Oct '15 6:52:24 PM by JackOLantern1337

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probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#104206: Oct 31st 2015 at 6:55:20 PM

That "the poor are lazy" mindset is not just within the gop, though my mindset is more of "the poor need more help in self-control and discipline".

I would label my position on welfare as "conditional".

For example, if I keep in mind that there's a direct link between eating too much and healthcare costs, I would prefer that people on welfare have very strict diets.

But on the other hand, I would also advocate for 100% free libraries and internet at reasonable speeds and tablets capable enough for browsing.

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#104207: Oct 31st 2015 at 6:56:19 PM

[up] The problem is their is no one defend group as "the poor."

Edit: Some are struggling to keep their house, others don't have a house. Some are just kids who have been disowned by their families for the "crime" of being gay. And some are complete pieces of shit who abuse themselves and the people in their lives, and "deserve"everything they are getting. Some are lazy, and some try scheme after scheme to lift themselves up, and fail each time. But above all they are people, and deserve to be treated as such, instead of some gigantic inhuman mass we call "the poor."

edited 31st Oct '15 6:59:52 PM by JackOLantern1337

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#104208: Oct 31st 2015 at 6:56:55 PM

Bernie is left by US standards, his stances over state control of private affairs and the economy still land him squarely on the right wing spectrum.

Also social progress and social welfare aren't inherently leftist, after all environmentalism which is now considered a leftist policy was once a right wing capitalist luxury by leftist and socialistic countries, namely the Soviet Union.

If you guys want to see leftists just take a look at South America and how much state control over it brings.

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#104209: Oct 31st 2015 at 6:57:59 PM

All I'm trying to say is that it's not enough to say, "We need to change." To quote Dirty Harry: "I hate the goddamn system. But until someone comes along with changes that make sense, I'll stick with it."

we're talking about making changes to the system, not completely replacing it. changing cultural attitudes is also something that doesn't necessarily involve changing how the government works, although one helps the other.

edited 31st Oct '15 7:01:52 PM by wehrmacht

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#104210: Oct 31st 2015 at 7:07:16 PM

Changing cultural attitudes is not something that can be done by government mandate, either. Consciousness-raising and social reform can sometimes help, but most of the time it just happens, often taking generations to achieve.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#104211: Oct 31st 2015 at 7:12:14 PM

Talking about issues and trying to make things like discrimination illegal would help though.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#104212: Oct 31st 2015 at 7:20:01 PM

Isn't that what I just said? Consciousness-raising and social reform? It helps, but it doesn't do it all in one fell swoop.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#104213: Oct 31st 2015 at 7:21:10 PM

I took your statement to mean that it won't help so why bother. I must have misinterpreted your post.

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#104214: Nov 1st 2015 at 1:12:11 AM

Bernie is left by US standards, his stances over state control of private affairs and the economy still land him squarely on the right wing spectrum.

I am not seeing how Sanders's economy policy could possibly considered be right wing. Also, federalism outside of the US is not generally considered a left-right thing, but social welfare and social progress most definitively are.

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#104215: Nov 1st 2015 at 1:31:30 AM

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I am not seeing how Sanders's economy policy could possibly considered be right wing.

I suppose it might be because Sanders doesn't support widespread Nationalisation and Government control/organisation of industry, wages and prices.

edited 1st Nov '15 1:34:31 AM by Greenmantle

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#104216: Nov 1st 2015 at 6:46:48 AM

You know what would be hilariously interesting? If campaigners could take donations from foreign citizens and organizations.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#104217: Nov 1st 2015 at 7:13:04 AM

Not sure what exactly is stopping that right now, other than the extra step of a foreign firm or individual using a domestic firm or individual as a proxy.

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#104218: Nov 1st 2015 at 7:22:00 AM

Who says they don't? The Israeli goverment has already actively campaigned for the Republicans in the past.

edited 1st Nov '15 7:22:29 AM by Silasw

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#104219: Nov 1st 2015 at 7:32:59 AM

I recall hearing that a Chinese embassy official once tried donating to a Democratic party fundraiser, although the donation was refused. That was a long time ago though, so my memory of the affair is very hazy...

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#104220: Nov 1st 2015 at 7:47:38 AM

Indeed, mark my words it won't be long before the President of the United States is picked by the CCP.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#104222: Nov 1st 2015 at 7:55:59 AM

How about this. I'll pay you 1000 dollars now. Every year, you pay me 200 dollars, if the CCP hasn't picked the president. If it picks the president within the next five years, you've broken even. Sound good?

What frustrates me is people making statements of absolute certainty, but there's no weight behind it, so there's no consequences of being wrong.

edited 1st Nov '15 7:57:28 AM by TheyCallMeTomu

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#104223: Nov 1st 2015 at 7:58:10 AM

I'm wondering if Jack's messing with us with that post, it just seems so 100% Jack I'm thinking he might be parodying himself.

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#104224: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:01:25 AM

I'm not messing with you guys, just I don't know loosing my marbles. Still, as long as the Superpacks exist, it is a possibility that a President who is the puppet of foreign interests will be installed into power.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#104225: Nov 1st 2015 at 8:04:06 AM

Jack foreign companies might have money, but they've got nothing compared to US corporate interests.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

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