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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
It ain't just the cold war. Individualism, property rights, and a deep distrust of government are fundamentals of American culture, to elect a Socialist would probably be the end of America as we know it. If I recall Marx himself said a Communist revolution would be impossible in America,but then again he said the same thing about Russia and we all know how that turned out
Why the fuck does Bernie have to call himself a socialist and not shut up about the Nordics. He could just as easily call himself a progressive, and site the Roosevelts and JFK as his inspirations. He does this from time to time, but not nearly enough.
Jack, you're going right into hyperbole again. First off, manufacturing is not entirely dead in America. (From what I understand it's been experiencing a resurgence.) Second, there's WHOLE FUCKLOAD MORE OF WORKING CLASS THAT AREN'T FACTORY WORKERS. LIKE TEACHERS AND RESTAURANT EMPLOYEES. Sander's and Clinton's defense of working class Americans doesn't begin and end solely with factory workers. Why the fuck would you even say that?
Third, he calls himself a socialist because that's the political philosophy he adheres to and endorses. Progressive can describe people who identify as socialist or democrats, and this just seems like petty nitpicking on your part.
re: Crimson Zephyr, it's like you read the first half of each paragraph I wrote, but not the rest.
Classifying Bernie as a leftist or a socialist in the US never ceases to amaze me, everywhere else he'd be called right wing.
Oi. No. There is no standard by which Sanders would be right wing, except for a "only our comrades are true left!" standard.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanThe entire notion that robots have taken the working class' jobs is silly. Manufacturing, sure, but the working class isn't just people in manufacturing, it's people in service industry positions.
And until AI is a lot more developed than it is now, robots aren't likely to supplant the working class there.
But, yeah, it'll happen eventually.
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there seems to be this idea in discourse of american politics (and in a lot of other places) that we should keep old things around, or defer to how people centuries ago would have done things simply because they're old.
which i just find baffling and, well...stupid. traditions and beliefs that are harmful to society need to be cast away. what america was "founded on" doesn't matter anymore. it needs to do what's best for its citizens, right now. which is to change.
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Change isn't always bad, but change purely for the sake of being different, or for the sake of expediency, can lead to something even worse. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, and nobody expected Nazi Germany either. Least of all the German people themselves.
edited 31st Oct '15 6:13:57 PM by pwiegle
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Service is being threatened (now), significantly.
Even coders are not safe, the more intuitive programs become. I think there's an upheaval in progress in the webhosting biz since Google, Amazon, even Docker is out to cut out the middle with 1-click installs.
edited 31st Oct '15 6:16:57 PM by probablyinsane
Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.Nobody's talking about change for the sake of change.
Being hijacked by toxic christian evangelists, disenfranchisement and demonization of the poor, etc are things that need to change. it's not a question of instituting some sort of extremist regime.
Okay, the feeling of disenfranchisement, I'll give you. But demonizing the poor? Only the 1%ers are doing that - and only among themselves. But that attitude isn't mainstream, not even close to mainstream. Nor are the hate-mongering Bible thumpers. In their own close-knit little exclusive cliques, they may pat each other on the back, but the vast silent majority ignores their idiocy.
This Space Intentionally Left Blank.Unfortunately the demonization of the poor is not unique to the top 1 percent, or even Americans. I have heard to many friends gripe about how the homeless wouldn't "give them back the change", after giving them an overly large amount of money to buy a sandwich, or seen shop keepers all the way in Austria shoo away a begging old woman like she was some sort of Animal, to believe that that problem s rare.
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Probably. What I generally find is that people divide the poor into two groups. The virtuous poor. These are guys who are just "down on their luck", and need to be helped. And then their are the unvirtuous poor, stupid bastard's who are ether to stupid,i.e mentality ill in most cases, or lazy to make it, and have thus given the rest of us the burden of caring for them.
edited 31st Oct '15 6:46:44 PM by JackOLantern1337
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.

On socalism,
Cold War culture fucked us bad. Like real bad.
It was much more about hating the commies, it was also people realizing they could destroy any idea of worker's rights and the ability for the poor to have anything.
Our hatred of socialism is a cultural meme that has been engineered by some pretty awful people.
Oh really when?