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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Bush senior was fine. Jeb in practice is fine. Neither have the charisma of W, but in return, W isn't quite as good as they are.
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“I think the bigger frustration you saw is that all those candidates onstage had prepared for a substantive debate. Everyone was ready to talk about trade policy and the debt and tax policies,” Rubio said on Fox News. “And we’re ready for that, everybody was. And then, you got questions that everyone got, which were clearly designed to get us to fight against each other or get us to say something embarrassing about us and then get us to react.”
(Balloon Juice) Powerpoint Presentation of the Darned
Jeb Bush, post debate, takes shots at Rubio, up to and including calling Rubio the "GOP Obama".
The Politico one I think is, in particular, rather telling, about the state of the GOP with regards to how they react to Truth vs Truthiness.
edited 30th Oct '15 9:44:06 AM by PotatoesRock
Bad Lip Reading: The Democratic Debate
I was not aware this was a thing, but it is hilarious.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"My mom was saying the same thing about Sanders. I still think he's more electable than almost all the GOP candidates, but I'm biased and the jack-o'lantern I helped carve yesterday is more electable than most of the GOP candidates.
On the plus side if Clinton gets the nomination, which seems very likely, I think she has a good chance of winning the general.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas EdisonIf you want a president who will solve the real problems in our government, preserve American values, and help build a better future with you...Well, too bad. I'm not running.
(Which is probably what Biden should have said)
Leviticus 19:34Freedom of conscience, an enterprising spirit, and innate hostility to those who would impose on such qualities in others should be the American values. Everything else would be conditional.
edited 30th Oct '15 6:00:08 PM by Artificius
"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."I suppose this is a cultural question, but what I identify as "American Values" are primarily the enterprising spirit and judging people by their merit rather than traits such as race.
Leviticus 19:34I'd almost rather see Sanders get the nomination just to see how the nation would react to an actual left-wing candidate. Sure, the GOP will dogpile on him as a pinko commie socialist, but they'll do that regardless of who the Democratic nominee is — and with Clinton, they've got decades worth of scandals (of varying levels of artificial-ness) to dredge up, whereas Sanders is relatively new on the national stage.
I think gives-no-fucks Obama has shown that the country is ready to get behind a candidate that's more actively left-leaning. The Democratic base is fed up with Republican stonewalling, and I think they'd support a President that positioned themselves not just as a moderate, but as a liberal.
Of course, the stakes are pretty high. If the Republican party wins the presidency, then they're likely to control all three branches of government. But I feel like if the Democrats are going to go for it, now's the time, when the Republican side has managed to alienate their moderate supporters so damn badly anyway.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.Maybe only slightly relevant to this discussion, but the prospect of the GOP controlling all three branches reminded me of this article.
Gotta love plain-talking bankers.
edited 30th Oct '15 7:39:31 PM by Artificius
"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."Bernie has given a good enough showing in the primary that I'm less certain he'll lose the nomination than I was before, but I still think the math is against him.
As for the presidency itself, I think he has a decent chance of winning if his campaign keeps itself in order. He needs to draw on the entire power of the democratic party.
edited 30th Oct '15 8:51:06 PM by TheyCallMeTomu
