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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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You need the Latino vote to win the White House, unless Democratic voters stay at home en masse. Trump and Carson aren't taking certain swing states because of their immigration stances. Seriously, their disapproval numbers among Dems and Independents is staggering. Clinton or Sanders will win against Trump or Carson by virtue of being sane, this GOP circus is doing more for voter registration numbers than any amount of community engagement ever did.
It's a lot easier to get people to vote against something, if they are motivated enough.
edited 28th Oct '15 6:42:02 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Even Sanders could beat most of the current field, the "Anyone but Donald Trump" vote is going to be huge, so if Trump or any of the similar candidates win the nomination then the Dems pretty much have a lock.
edited 28th Oct '15 6:43:42 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranExcept none of those things will make them win. The Republicans have been screaming everything and anything (including "COMMUNIST") at Obama for years, and it's gotten them nowhere.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
True (not like that ever stopped them), but they've already been attacking Clinton and Sanders for a while now, and it doesn't seem to be working.
Honestly, I'm not sure if a Democratic candidate can lose, short of a massive scandal or demographic shift, because the bases seem just as solid if not more than they did in the previous two elections. But maybe I'm underestimating the swing states.
edited 28th Oct '15 7:14:39 PM by Eschaton
Yeah, the numbers don't really favor a Republican victory at the presidential level.
As for Clinton re: Benghazi, the recent hearings have so far shown to be a massive boost to her polling in Iowa. Basically, any concerns people had over it were put to rest, with Republicans making themselves look like fools, and making Clinton look remarkably durable.
You are a pessimist. Mathematically it's nearly impossible for the Republicans to get the 270 electoral votes they need to win the presidency, even without a crazy asshole like Trump or Carson who will mobilize the hell out of the Democratic base to make sure they never reach the Oval Office.
Calm down, Chicken Littles. The sky isn't falling. (And what good is screaming about Benghazi or emails going to do when Republicans have flat out admitted it was an attempt to get to Clinton? Yeesh, some people panic over everything.)
Edit: Also, I think the Republicans have forever neutralized the power of the words Socialism and Socialist by applying it to Obama, who really doesn't fit the term. (Hell, most of Obama's positions are Republican positions from a couple of decades ago.) They screamed it until it's robbed a lot of the power from the word, and actual socialists like Bernie would like to thank Republicans for that.
edited 28th Oct '15 7:21:25 PM by TheWanderer
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |It's not enough to achieve a victory in the Presidential election. We need the Senate at a minimum and, ideally, the House. The latter is almost impossible but Sanders has shown an astonishing ability to get interest from normally apathetic people.
edited 28th Oct '15 8:03:03 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Honestly, Kasich's saltiness is kind of warranted seeing as he seems to be the Only Sane Man among Republican Presidential hopefuls right now.
edited 28th Oct '15 5:38:31 PM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"