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SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#103726: Oct 21st 2015 at 3:36:33 PM

You guys keep saying that the next debate will be the fall of Trump and that nobody will actually vote for him, but where is the proof? Even after the last debate, not only is he still at the top of the Repub. polls, but he's leading among the GOP in S.C., New Hampshire and Nevada. At this point, it looks like no matter what Trump says, he will never shoot his foot to his followers.

Add to that the fact that Carson is in 2nd place, and it's stopped being infuriating and simply sad. Shameful, even. Two lunatics are leading in the GOP presidential race, and there's nothing anyone can do to touch them.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#103727: Oct 21st 2015 at 3:46:29 PM

I could see Carson recovering from that Muslim President comment, but it seems Trump had been doing enough that, yes, it's sad he's managed to retain the #1 spot.

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#103728: Oct 21st 2015 at 3:48:20 PM

I don't think anyone here said that Trump is going to fall down after the next debate. Why would he?

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#103729: Oct 21st 2015 at 3:55:03 PM

At this point, it looks like no matter what Trump says, he will never shoot his foot to his followers.
I can't speak for others, but I always thought that would be the case, short of a massive scandal. The question is just how substantial his support actually is among all Republican voters, and whether it proves to be more than a vocal minority.

But a large part of me wants to see a Sanders vs. Trump election. A Socialist vs. a Fascist would be one hell of a between-a-rock-and-hard-place situation for US politics.

edited 21st Oct '15 3:55:19 PM by Eschaton

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#103730: Oct 21st 2015 at 3:59:12 PM

Who said Trump would fall down after the debates?

He'll fall and not win the primary, but that's because a lot of actual primary voters aren't being polled/giving their opinions yet, the latecomers who will come to the raise when it's actually in a reasonable time frame are also not going to be Trump voters, that combined with the combining of the voters for sane candidates as they slowly start to drop out, will be what brings Trump down.

Yes Trump is ahead in the polls, quick check though, when was the last time the person leading the primary polls at this point actually won the primary?

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#103731: Oct 21st 2015 at 4:18:27 PM

I'm not taking anything seriously until at LEAST the first actual primary votes, and then maybe not even until New Hampshire.

Iowa last time had Santorum winning after all, but he did prove to be Romney's most durable opponent. So we'll probably see how things go around then.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#103732: Oct 21st 2015 at 4:28:08 PM

I think we all just predicted an eventual fall, and did not give a specific date. Certainly a lot of other people who are not in this thread seemed to think he'd fall sooner.

I don't know if it's weird or indicative of something that the two most popular candidates right now are not men who've served in any sort of political office before, though. You'd think that Jeb would be better at campaigning since he's got his own experience and his family's to raw on here.

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#103733: Oct 21st 2015 at 4:52:06 PM

Jeb! is dragging the specter of the Iraq war and his family's legacy with him, it doesn't matter much how good he is at campaigning. He's been on the defensive on that front since about May, when that student flat-out said that his brother created ISIS.

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#103734: Oct 21st 2015 at 4:56:55 PM

Trump's projection keeps rising, but the level of projection blunts after every debate. It's just that there is enough time between debates for people to go back to the Trump show and it rises again.

That said, with candidates dropping out, the others will get more time to perform in the debate, which will give them more traction in the polls...unless you are Christie or Jeb.

edited 21st Oct '15 4:57:06 PM by FFShinra

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#103735: Oct 21st 2015 at 5:04:22 PM

I don't think anyone that's not Carson or Trump is getting a lot of traction, though. It seems like the voters who'd be voting in the Republican primary this year very quickly got bored with anyone who wasn't Carson, Trump, and briefly Fiorina.

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#103736: Oct 21st 2015 at 5:15:44 PM

So, since I'm not from the US, nor familiar with the candidates, who's the sanest (or at least closest to sane) candidate among the republicans?

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#103737: Oct 21st 2015 at 5:23:50 PM

[up]Kasich. Pity the rest of the party does not realize this.

[up][up]Fiorina and Rubio may not be getting outrageous numbers, but their debate performances have ensured they will stay above five percent, while the guys who don't get a bump in the debate are at less than 5%. Jeb is an exception only in that he started very high and just keeps going lower.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#103738: Oct 21st 2015 at 5:35:56 PM

Yeah no, Trump I think is going to win the nomination. And I am horrified.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#103739: Oct 21st 2015 at 5:49:24 PM

The pollsters themselves have told the media not to determine so early who will win based on their data.

I'm with Tomu, don't bother until the first primary.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#103740: Oct 21st 2015 at 6:16:39 PM

[up][up]I wouldn't say he's a shoe-in just yet, since there are plenty of Republicans, let alone the party leadership, who dislike him. (though I don't think the other Republican candidates are all that different, some of them quite eager to prove it).

However, it seems to me that the non-Trump candidates are doing more-or-less the same things that lost Mc Cain and Romney the election before, so many people are obviously interested in a different angle for pushing their interests. But is it different enough to get enough votes for the presidency, or are the bases too solidified?

And I'm pretty sure that nominating Trump would also guarantee a significant Democrat voter turn-out, no matter the Democratic candidate.

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#103741: Oct 21st 2015 at 7:38:55 PM

You guys keep saying that the next debate will be the fall of Trump and that nobody will actually vote for him, but where is the proof?
I think most of us have said we hope he falls. But his continued success is a damning indictment of how acceptable racism still is in the US.

Going back to gun control, an eight year old died when her mom dropped a gun while braiding her hair. Why one needs a handgun to braid hair absolutely mystifies me.

A Georgia girl was killed in an apparently accidental shooting that also wounded her mother.

Marsha Lynch said she was braiding her daughter’s hair when a handgun fell to the floor and fired, striking her in the leg and then shooting her 8-year-old daughter in the head.

Sharia Lynch died from the gunshot wound before she could be airlifted to an area hospital.

“She was a precious little girl, she made everybody laugh — she was the kind of kid in class everybody loved,” said Ann Arnold, principal of Sara Ragsdale Elementary School. “Our hearts are just broke. We’ve got a lot of tears going on, of course. We’re in shock right now.”

The Paulding County Sheriff’s Office is investigating whether the gun belonged to Lynch or her adult son, and authorities also want to know why the .9 mm handgun fired when it was dropped.

A firearms expert said a standard safety feature should have prevented the accidental firing unless the gun had been altered to give it a shorter trigger pull.

Two of Lynch’s daughters who live in the home have been placed in child protective custody.

Deputies seized a rifle from the home during the investigation.

Authorities said they believe the shooting was accidental and are not investigating the girl’s death as a homicide.

And this might not technically be American, but it's about Best America: the new Norwegian slang term for "crazy". Totally sounds legit. I might start using it here in the US.

Texas is many things to many people—a state the size of a medium-sized country; home to several idiot governors, one who became president, and a current one who thinks it’s a good idea for college students to openly carry firearms. To Donald Trump, Texas is the place where a "big, beautiful wall" should be built. To people in Norway, “texas” with a small “t” is a synonym for crazy, bonkers, out of control and wild. As in, that’s totally texas. Or in Norwegian: det var helt texas

Texas Monthly discovered this hilarious (or humbling, depending on your perspective) piece of slang on a Tumblr page. The magazine accumulated several pieces of evidence that this is really a thing in Norway, and gave these examples:

Here is an article from Aviso Nordland from March 2014 about reckless international truck drivers traveling through the northern part of the country. Norwegian police chief Knut Danielsen, when describing the situation, tells the paper that “it is absolutely texas.”

Here’s one from a 2012 edition of Verdens Gang, a Norwegian tabloid, in which Blackburn Rovers soccer manager Henning Berg—a Norwegian former star who played for the British team—describes the atmosphere at a match between the Rovers and the rival Burnley Clarets as “totally texas.”

And here’s a fisherman telling the local news about the rare swordfish he caught in Northern Norway: “I heard a loud noise from the bay, but I did not know where it came from right away. Thirty seconds to a minute later it jumped out in the fjord. I got to see some of it before I took up the camera,” he says and continues: “It was totally texas!”

A Norwegian explained what "texas" meant to him in a Reddit discussion earlier this year, writing: “When I think of the word I picture a cowboy crashing a party and shooting two revolvers into the air. ‘It’s completely texas!"

So entrenched is this idiom in Norway that a restaurant called Dolly Dimple's uses "helt texas" to characterize its pizza deals.

Note, for those planning on using “texas” as a substitute for “crazy” while in Norway (or elsewhere, perhaps) it is an adjective that applies to situations, not people. So, you can’t call Gov. Greg Abbott “texas,” even if you really believe he is crazy.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#103742: Oct 21st 2015 at 7:52:18 PM

Authorities said they believe the shooting was accidental and are not investigating the girl’s death as a homicide.

Urgh. This is why I'd like to see a basic training requirement prior to allowing a firearms license. Because if every gun owner could be presumed to be trained in basic gun safety, then civilian courts would be able to adopt the military's position (that there's no such thing as an accidental discharge).

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#103743: Oct 21st 2015 at 7:52:23 PM

[up][up]

I'm not sure if that actually should (or will) be taken as an insult to Texas. Having your state be a slang term for "Crazy" makes the place sound Crazy Awesome more than anything.

edited 21st Oct '15 7:52:31 PM by Protagonist506

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#103744: Oct 21st 2015 at 8:28:16 PM

As a person who is actually from Texas, I gotta say I'm not actually all that happy that the shit that happens here is so notorious as to become a slang term for crazy situations and dangerously reckless behaviors. It's just kind of .... "meeeeeeeeeeh". sad

edited 21st Oct '15 8:28:52 PM by AceofSpades

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#103745: Oct 21st 2015 at 8:41:31 PM

[up]You beat Florida: quit complaining. wink

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#103746: Oct 21st 2015 at 8:57:07 PM

The use of texas in Norway is so texas. tongue

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#103748: Oct 21st 2015 at 9:08:31 PM

It's okay. I'm not in Norway.

Back on topic: Obama announcing plans to fight drug abuse.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#103749: Oct 21st 2015 at 9:18:06 PM

@Ramidel: I completely agree. This should be negligent manslaughter at the very least.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#103750: Oct 21st 2015 at 9:41:58 PM

FF Shinra is making me think I should run for President.

C'mon, who WOULDN'T want to vote for the guy with the slogan "I'm with Tomu?"


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