TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

The General US Politics Thread

Go To

Nov 2023 Mod notice:


There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.

If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines before posting here.

Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.

If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules when posting here.


In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#103451: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:09:35 PM

Eh, I think he could have, long enough to shave off east and south Ukraine. But he'd not be able to hold all of it no.

EDIT- But thats for a different thread.

edited 14th Oct '15 2:09:47 PM by FFShinra

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#103452: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:11:58 PM

Putin cannot get the entire Middle East or Ukraine without a full on war escalation. Does he have military power and knowledge? Yes. Does this mean he will? No.

The same argument applies to the United States. The U.S has the military power to pretty much take over all of the Americas. Does this mean they are going to do it...?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#103453: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:13:17 PM

[up] If Trump is elected President, the Americas had better look to their defenses.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#103454: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:15:29 PM

Thankfully, he won't win. He's a product of 24-hour news cycle obsession plus name recognition than actual possibility.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#103455: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:17:06 PM

If Trump is elected president the Americas had best wait a week for him and his VP to get impeached/chucked out for rigging the election.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#103456: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:17:10 PM

Starting to think we just need a US vs Russia thread, its monopolized I think 4 threads now all at once, all taking about the same basic thing.

Anyway going along with that story I posted, really there should be laws about leaving guns around for everyone to find. Shoot that toddler found a gun just laying around the floor of the car then shot and killed his grandmother.

If it's in a car it should be in a locked portable gun case, on your person, or locked in the glove compartment, god damn that shit is frustrating.

Edit: if Trump is elected it would start WW3.

edited 14th Oct '15 2:18:09 PM by Memers

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#103457: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:18:48 PM

I'd suggest simply arresting the adults responsibly for negligent homocide.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#103458: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:19:02 PM

Grandma was a Putin-sent commie spy and that baby is a true patriotic hero

There now both subjects are united

edited 14th Oct '15 2:19:32 PM by Aszur

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#103459: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:19:46 PM

Anyway, the worst thing we could to with respect to Putin is to challenge him as a military rival. He wants that; it's how he maintains his domestic power. The best thing we can do is let him blunder around and deal with the results of the messes he creates. We cannot be everyone's savior; Europe has to step up in its own defense and, frankly, if the Middle-Eastern nations respect Russia more than the U.S., let 'em go. They'll soon see he's no improvement.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#103460: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:26:03 PM

I am not sure Vladimir is as antagonic politically as you make him out to be. He spouts a very nationalistic sort of political campaign and allows fringe elements backed up by the ideology he spouts to mantain this aura of fear and antagonism that is what keeps him in power. And whatever little chaos here and there he can cause politically is fine, more in the lines of trolling than actual intent to invade and make of clay for mother russia.

Compare and contrast Maduro, the Kims, and ISIS: they are the ones who generate fear, chaos, and blame someone else for it, hence drawing the masses with this fear. Historically, people who did this end up with their heads on pikes. Ask Gadaffi or Hussein.

This completely ignoring their nationalistic and religious sentiment, and/or cult of personality involved.

Trump is more like Putin: hyper nationalist and "purist". However the geographical situation of the united states would not allow the fringe elements to act outside, but rather, within. The unrest would not be just at borders, but all over. Trump would not likely be able to go to war simply because of all the political unrest his followers would cause.

edited 14th Oct '15 2:30:12 PM by Aszur

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#103461: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:31:10 PM

[up][up]They'd like us too if we'd just be a tad more decisive...

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#103462: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:32:32 PM

They'd like us more if we hadn't screwed them over at every turn in the guise of helping. Let's not mince words here.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#103463: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:36:47 PM

Yes, but they also don't like indecisiveness. Nothing to mince. Both statements happen to be true.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#103464: Oct 14th 2015 at 2:40:45 PM

[up][up] I have to agree there, we screwed up Iraq so heavily in two wars that they couldn't defend themselves, because we disbanded their army, and we left them hanging. Now they are throwing info publicly to Russia.

Setting Syria aside we should at least have boots on the ground in Iraq, it's our fault they are in this situation without what was once the fourth largest army in the world.

edited 14th Oct '15 2:41:13 PM by Memers

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#103466: Oct 14th 2015 at 3:29:16 PM

That is wrong in so many ways. It is almost physically painful. They should be calling Ryan a sham, a fraudster, an empty shell that rhetoric comes out of. A political leech, a parasite, a carnival huckster, a snake oil salesman. Anything but a serious politician whose views don't align with theirs.

edited 14th Oct '15 3:30:04 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#103467: Oct 14th 2015 at 4:38:22 PM

[up]They're going to end up destroying themselves if they don't reign in or jettison their crazies.

And this is interesting. Another point in the column for corporate media trying to push a narrative? http://tinyurl.com/q8dv57f

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#103468: Oct 14th 2015 at 5:27:05 PM

Yes, it's long been suspected that the national media is shilling for Clinton. Well, "suspected" is a weak word — it's all but splashed in bright headlines on their websites.

Her performance was strong, to be sure — she made no major stumbles and answered all the concerns. But this was Sanders' time at the national podium and he killed it with the people for whom the economy and the environment are the key issues. Especially when he forced Clinton to take a pro-corporate stance; that was the biggest distinction, I felt. His graciousness towards the email scandal only increased his awesomeness.

I wished that he could have spent more time discussing the realities of his democratic socialist stance, but that is an inherent limit of the format.

edited 14th Oct '15 5:28:58 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#103469: Oct 14th 2015 at 5:38:03 PM

How frustrating. At the first story I read saying Hillary "won", I thought that she was going to be out in front.

And then I see things like this that indicate that they really ARE gunning for her over who viewers are looking at.

Why, because her winning would all benefit them somehow? Or they just aren't aware of the Internet's opinion? Or is it because she's a woman.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#103470: Oct 14th 2015 at 5:38:21 PM

National media hates Clinton. That's why they've been insisting that Biden was running even as it's becoming rapidly impossible for him to do so.

On the Ryan thing, it's like the brain disease in the party is just getting worse. It has literally gotten to the point where having governed is a black mark against you, because governing means deviating from dogma at some point.

Couldn't the Democrats just walk off and then the majority of Republicans could vote for a sane speaker?

edited 14th Oct '15 5:42:35 PM by Ogodei

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#103471: Oct 14th 2015 at 5:42:29 PM

I was too distracted by Coop to determine a winner. Sanders and Clinton did okay, but it was no slam dunk for either.

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#103472: Oct 14th 2015 at 8:20:09 PM

The reason that CNN keeps selling the idea that Hillary won big and that she's a foregone conclusion despite viewer polls clearly showing that Bernie crushed it is because she's a rather pro-corporate candidate, whereas Bernie could be a threat to them. That's why they attempt to discredit his chances by calling him crazy or refusing to cover him at all.

It should also be noted that CNN is owned by one of Hillary's biggest campaign donors.

edited 14th Oct '15 8:21:00 PM by Lennik

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#103473: Oct 14th 2015 at 10:02:39 PM

On the Ryan thing, it's like the brain disease in the party is just getting worse. It has literally gotten to the point where having governed is a black mark against you, because governing means deviating from dogma at some point.

In other words, the Republicans don't even want to Govern, preferring ideological purity instead?

Keep Rolling On
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#103474: Oct 14th 2015 at 10:31:36 PM

We can only hope that the idea of electing someone who doesn't actually want to do the job becomes more obviously a stupid thing to do.

And by hope I mean pray.

arcanephoenix Resident Bollywood Nerd from Bombay, India Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
Resident Bollywood Nerd
#103475: Oct 14th 2015 at 11:09:01 PM

[up][up] This is for the post of President, who has to govern the entire country?

These are still the guys who're touting Carly Fiorina and the Donald for president because they've run companies (hiding the fact that both haven't exactly been the best, especially Fiorina)?

I just feel at some point they'll just ask that Duck Dynasty guy to run for President to kill all the wetbacks and fags and abortionists or something.


Total posts: 417,856
Top