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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#103276: Oct 13th 2015 at 6:56:47 PM

It should be, the focus on things that have no effect on ones ability to kill, rather than ensuring background checks happen and that dangerous people are not given guns, is a big roadblock towards gun control reform.

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darksidevoid Anti-Gnosis Weapon from The Frontiers (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Anti-Gnosis Weapon
#103277: Oct 13th 2015 at 6:59:54 PM

I really liked Sanders' response on the email question.

GM: AGOG S4 & F/WC RP; Co-GM: TABA, SOTR, UUA RP; Sub-GM: TTS RP. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire.
Tangent128 from Virginia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#103278: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:00:46 PM

[up] Was both classy and hilarious, yes.

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?
darksidevoid Anti-Gnosis Weapon from The Frontiers (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Anti-Gnosis Weapon
#103280: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:04:59 PM

No... that's not true! That's impossible!

NNNOOOOOOOOO!

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AngelicBraeburn from Eccentric California Since: Jan, 2015
#103281: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:12:22 PM

Man, Anderson just crushed Chafee.

Say what you want about Webb, he is right that he is isn't getting a lot of time. This debate is basically about Clinton and Sanders.

edited 13th Oct '15 7:13:10 PM by AngelicBraeburn

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#103282: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:31:13 PM

My Internet is giving me a terrible time watching the debate, but Webb, Chafee, and O'Malley are definitely getting sidelined. Webb in particular is very petulant about it. The other two are being good sports. I think that the debate over how to handle "too big to fail" banks got a bit silly; they all agree on the broad strokes, and the specifics would be hammered out in Congress anyway. The solidarity between Sanders and Clinton on the email issue was heartwarming.

edited 13th Oct '15 7:31:38 PM by Fighteer

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AngelicBraeburn from Eccentric California Since: Jan, 2015
#103283: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:32:04 PM

Anderson: How will you be different from Obama?

Clinton: I'm a woman.

CUE LARGEST APPLAUSE OF THE NIGHT

I can't tell you how far my eyes rolled.

edited 13th Oct '15 8:50:36 PM by AngelicBraeburn

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Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#103284: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:36:54 PM

Mine turned into little blue hedgehogs and went supersonic straight through the back of my head.

Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#103285: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:42:23 PM

@Silasw: Yeah, that was basically my point. Untrained people aren't good at making threat assessments or responding to those threats appropriately.

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#103286: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:54:44 PM

I'm assuming that it is reaffirmation that (if elected) Clinton is mostly continuing off where Obama left off?

Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#103287: Oct 13th 2015 at 8:26:56 PM

[up]Seems likely.

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#103288: Oct 13th 2015 at 8:38:15 PM

Trump went over Sanders again with the gambling crowd. sad

I'm confuse if Biden's running or not.

Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#103289: Oct 13th 2015 at 8:44:07 PM

Biden has repeatedly say he's not running but everyone thinks he is for some reason.

Oh really when?
majoraoftime (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#103290: Oct 13th 2015 at 8:54:44 PM

Loved the tweet of Biden sitting alone in his hotel room.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#103291: Oct 13th 2015 at 8:55:39 PM

I was hoping/waiting for him to parachute in during the debate.

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#103292: Oct 13th 2015 at 8:58:28 PM

I think all of the less well known candidates have a right to be angry, though. A debate is supposed to expose them to people, not shill the top contenders as all of the debates so far have done. And in a small field like the Democrats, it should not be that hard to showcase everyone.

And let's be thankful Webb was collected when he addressed this, instead of going Trump on everyone.

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probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#103293: Oct 13th 2015 at 8:58:35 PM

Can he (anyone else) still join in after the first debate?

For such a position, I expect 100% attendance on the debates.

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Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#103294: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:00:09 PM

Biden has a lot on his plate already.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#103295: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:16:47 PM

Theoretically I think you can join in at any time, but as with all things regarding politics, there's a point at which it's not practical. I know people are rooting for Biden, but I think if he was going to do it he'd have done it by now. The first debate is a pretty big thing to miss, even if most voters aren't paying attention right now.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#103296: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:32:32 PM

That debate was a mess. The questions were good, but Cooper can't mod for shit.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#103297: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:35:43 PM

And Hillary reminds us why she's the heir apparent. She's able to get in a solid hit on Sanders' gun control position while not being vulnerable to similar attacks on her own moderate-ness, and she even managed to campaign on "I can win and the Republicans are lunatics" without sounding like she's surrendering.

Honorable second place to Sanders, especially with his really cool way of blowing off the whole email thing. He knows it's a dead letter and any attacks along that line will just embarrass whoever makes them. Still, he needed to be a lot more secure in his position on gun control and he was rightly savaged for botching his defense of his position.

Webb and Chafee fall on their faces. Webb complained that he was being sidelined (which he was, but he spent too much debate time on that), and Chafee really made it look like he didn't know what he was doing.

[up]Yeah. Cooper tried to force the email thing over when even Sanders was telling him it was a waste of time. And Hillary rightly smacked him down for it. Hope we get a better debate mod next time.

edited 13th Oct '15 9:37:22 PM by Ramidel

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#103298: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:48:19 PM

Chafee would do well to bow out now. At least with Webb and O'Malley, you have two possible Veep candidates.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#103299: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:57:32 PM

Webb didn't do much better, though. He's trying to stake out territory that's way outside bounds for a Democratic leader - hawks just won't fly. (Ba-dum-tish.)

I think O'Malley is building himself a strong candidacy for the VP position, which may be part of why he's been focusing his attacks on Sanders. He's looking to be built up as the next President (which is a good thing, because the Democratic Party is really short on leadership talent right now).

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#103300: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:58:21 PM

Wheee, super long post from six pages of the thread.

Aren't we having trouble paying for the ones we already have.
Only because Congress has forcibly reallocated our budgets.
we need a new fighter desperately, the teen series aircraft are showing their age, but do we need the F 35.
1) I wouldn't say desperately, especially not when we were still getting brand new super hornets as recently as last year.

2) The F-35 is a poorly designed piece of crap. IMO the Navy at least would be better off giving Lockheed the finger and opening bidding to companies to actually compete at producing a carrier fighter jet, because the F-35 isn't one. The Air Force might be better off with the F-35.

3) Also what Silas said. They've gone something like a decade in delays and multiple times the original cost of the aircraft in additional fees/overrun. What we ought to do is take it out of the CEO/CFO personal accounts.

joining the military is the worst thing you can do to yourself and your family
Uh, I don't think it's worse than working 80+ hours a week at minimum wage. At least, not yet.
It's easier for Republicans to leave the VA underfunded because then they can use it as a perpetual whipping boy to show how they're fighting for the troops.
Fortunately in the modern age, there are people who can quickly and easily share the record of votes on issues like that. But sadly it's something that remains out of the mainstream news.
Real 'merican things are made in china
And if you don't believe that, just ask Trump.
supper missiles
Do we have Second Breakfast missiles too?
The thing is that all of our current aircraft are just plain old. As in they're too old to fly despite our best efforts to maintain them.
The thing is, they're really not. Like I said, as recently as last year the Navy was still receiving brand new super hornets. You can argue that the design is obsolete, I'm willing to provisionally grant that, but the actual planes themselves are not.note 
there's a good reason why shooting sprees tend to not occur on armed facilities, especially in the presence of people who are trained to use them. Blue Ninja might have more to say on this matter.
Our security forces are trained to try and note people acting in odd and potentially violent ways. But I think it just boils down to the simple fact that a spree shooting is not, usually, that person's first interaction with being violent - and as such, the military (not being fans of LooseCannons) takes measures before it escalates up to that.note  It seems as though in the civilian world (especially in colleges) that kind of authority interaction isn't present.
You think kids these days are lazy, entitled and hypersensitive, yet you want them to be their own personal law enforcement officer with the ability to use lethal force at a moment's notice?
I think it's simple tribalism - those people's kids are hypersensitive and entitled, but my kids are smart, good decision makers. My kids need to be able to carry their 9mm for when one of those kids flips out and tries to murder their professor over a C.
As long as those staff are trained security professionals. Random nobodies like teachers and students have no business carrying firearms.
... What if those teachers are trained? Not every state hands out concealed carry permits like they were fliers for strip clubs.note 
people thinking citizens like me are just jumping at the bit to blow them away.
Of course not! Don't want to chip a tooth on the bullet when you eat them.
it serves a great way of ignoring the fact that our country has really toxic cultural values.
[awesome]
Aren't most school shooters suicidal?
I think most of them are content/happy with the thought of becoming a martyr. And there is some attraction to the thought of going to your death knowing that you're taking some of those assholes with you.
This debate is basically about Clinton and Sanders.
Well, unlike the Republican debate, it's not like Chafee and Webb have an actual shot at becoming the Presidential candidate. Unless someone spree-shoots both Clinton and Sanders in the middle of the next debate.
Biden has repeatedly say he's not running but everyone thinks he is for some reason.
It seems more like, everyone who doesn't want Hillary, and still thinks that Socialist is a dirty word, want Biden to jump in the race.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

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