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#103126: Oct 12th 2015 at 6:16:00 AM

[up][up] At this point, it seems vanishingly unlikely that Biden would enter the race, given that he's up against or just missed a major ballot deadline — I think.

On the legal drinking age thing, I'll have to defer to doctors and sociologists — people who've studied cause-and-effect in terms of how early someone starts compared with rates of alcoholism and alcohol-related injury and death.

Speaking for myself, the only way to teach people responsibility is to give it to them, but throwing the entire gamut of adult responsibilities all at once on some teenager who is still run by hormones and peer pressure seems a bit crazy.

edited 12th Oct '15 6:18:39 AM by Fighteer

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#103127: Oct 12th 2015 at 6:29:34 AM

Think about it, if guns are allowed then if you see someone with a gun you ignore it, they probably have a CC licence after all, they're just carrying it for whatever reason, it means nothing. But if guns aren't allowed, you spot someone with a gun and there's no question or doubt, that person is up to no good and you need to run like fuck and raise the alarm.
That's actually a fair point, I hadn't considered that.

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#103128: Oct 12th 2015 at 6:30:36 AM

Indeed. One major problem with everyone carrying is that it becomes impossible to tell the good guys apart from the bad guys until someone starts shooting.

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#103129: Oct 12th 2015 at 6:39:30 AM

I don't buy the logic of "we should restrict guns so that you can automatically start panicking when you see someone with a gun" applied to everywhere, but places like schools and hospitals and stuff I can see it.

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#103130: Oct 12th 2015 at 7:08:18 AM

Krugman: Angus Deaton and the Dodd-Frank election

More than half of the dollar amount of political spending in the current election cycle has come from just 158 families. Moreover, the passage of Dodd-Frank marked a massive shift in political spending by the finance industry towards Republicans.

So, yes, it does matter that wealthy people can buy influence, and stopping them is incredibly important for the future of democracy.

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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#103131: Oct 12th 2015 at 7:28:38 AM

California joins Oregon in approving automatic voter registration.

  • On Saturday, California governor Jerry Brown signed a bill that will start automatically registering adult citizens to vote.

  • Starting in 2016, every adult citizen in the state who gets a driver's license, renews a license, gets a state identification card, or fills out a change of address form with the Department of Motor Vehicles will be registered to vote — unless he or she declines to be registered.

  • About one-fifth of the state's 38 million people are eligible to vote, but not registered, according to the Los Angeles Times's Patrick Mc Greevy.

Federal laws already allow people across the country the option to register to vote at the DMV. But Oregon and California's laws are pioneering because they do it automatically.

It's hard to overstate how novel this concept is for the US. Throughout much of United States history, governments frequently put up barriers aimed at preventing people from voting, such as property ownership requirements, poll taxes, or literacy tests.

Gradually, many of these barriers have fallen to make it easier for people to register. However, many states, including California, still close off registration weeks to a month before an election — an artificial obstacle that can prevent perfectly qualified people from voting if they simply miss a deadline.

These new proposals remove those obstacles. Oregon's law will register all adult citizens in the DMV's database, while California's law will be implemented more gradually, as people get or renew their licenses or state I Ds, or change their addresses. But both make it the government's responsibility to ensure that all eligible voters are registered.

...

Second, some Republicans have cited concerns about voter fraud — usually about potential registration of unauthorized immigrants. But while California began issuing driver's licenses to unauthorized immigrants this year, these licenses are distinctively marked, and people with them would not be registered to vote automatically. And Oregon requires proof of citizenship for all driver's license applicants.

Meanwhile, national Democrats are increasingly adopting mandatory voter registration as a major cause. In a speech on voting rights this June, Hillary Clinton called on all states to automatically register citizens to vote when they turn 18, unless they choose to opt out. And legislators in 15 other states have introduced bills similar to Oregon's new law.

Not that we didn't know this already, but... Military Intelligence investigator in accuses Benghazi committee of being a partisan effort focused solely on damaging Clinton and says it inappropriately fired him.

A former investigator with the House Select Committee on Benghazi is accusing the Republican-led panel of carrying out a politically motivated investigation targeting former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton instead of the thorough and objective fact-finding mission it was set up to pursue.

Maj. Bradley Podliska, an intelligence officer in the Air Force Reserve who describes himself as a conservative Republican, told CNN that the committee trained its sights almost exclusively on Clinton after the revelation last March that she used a private email server during her tenure as secretary of state. That new focus flipped a broad-based probe of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on September 11, 2012, into what Podliska described as "a partisan investigation."

Podliska, who was fired after nearly 10 months as an investigator for the Republican majority, is now preparing to file a lawsuit against the select committee next month, alleging that he lost his job in part because he resisted pressure to focus his investigative efforts solely on the State Department and Clinton's role surrounding the Benghazi attack. He also alleges he was fired because he took leave from the committee to fulfill his military service obligations, which would be an unlawful firing.

"I knew that we needed to get to the truth to the victims' families. And the victims' families, they deserve the truth — whether or not Hillary Clinton was involved, whether or not other individuals were involved," he told CNN in an exclusive TV interview that aired Sunday on "State of the Union." "The victims' families are not going to get the truth and that's the most unfortunate thing about this."

Podliska told CNN that the committee, which has spent $4.6 million so far and is chaired by Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, pulled resources away from probes of other individuals and agencies to focus almost exclusively on Clinton and the State Department she helmed for four years. Clinton will testify before the committee for the first time Oct. 22, and the committee is set to release the findings of its investigation next year, in the heat of the presidential race.

edited 12th Oct '15 7:51:25 AM by TheWanderer

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#103132: Oct 12th 2015 at 7:43:08 AM

Body cam footage clears police in Cleaveland shooting death. There are basically no downsides to body cams other than cost of buying them, which I think most people would agree is worth it. They're not foolproof, but a very large amount of the time, they provide a clear, objective view of events — which lets us exonerate cops who did everything right, and prosecute ones who don't.

Pretty much literally the only reason to oppose body cams is to protect dirty cops.

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#103133: Oct 12th 2015 at 7:48:03 AM

[up] Sometimes (even most of the time), the system works. If that article is accurate, then I agree with both conclusions: that body cams are good, and that those officers acted correctly.

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#103134: Oct 12th 2015 at 7:54:46 AM

That cop has the restraint of Paragon Shepard. Give him a medal or something.

On a similar note, what is the protocol for information availability of body cam footage? When does it get looked at?

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#103135: Oct 12th 2015 at 9:06:55 AM

I don't think there are any universal standards for that. Footage is recorded and stored by individual police departments with their own policies. This is an area that can be improved — state- or nation-wide rules (how long should it be stored? what should be done with it when that time period is up? who should have access to it in the meantime?) would be a good idea. In the meantime, of course, rules that apply to any other evidence can be applied to body cam footage — if inconvenient footage "mysteriously" went missing from police records, then they should face consequences the same as if any other evidence "disappeared".

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#103136: Oct 12th 2015 at 10:13:37 AM

I have been hearing that Biden may jump into the race after the first Debate.

Really, the fact he won't given a yes-no is getting annoying here, and he's effectively ratfucking Hillary by proxy.

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#103137: Oct 12th 2015 at 10:19:43 AM

[up] God I hope he runs. If not than I have to vote for ether one of the Republican clowns in the car, Hillary the 1st of her name of House Clinton, Donald fucking Trump, or a Socialist(Social Democrat) who will probably cut our Military down to Canadian levels of spending in order to help fund his new welfare programs. At least Joe not only has principles, but ones that I agree with, and he knows how to get things done in Congress.

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#103138: Oct 12th 2015 at 10:23:02 AM

In what world are any of the Republicans a better choice than Clinton or Sanders?

Oh really when?
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#103139: Oct 12th 2015 at 10:26:15 AM

I don't want Biden to run if his heart isn't in it.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#103140: Oct 12th 2015 at 11:01:31 AM

I can sort of get cops' objection to body cameras, just from a general "I don't want my boss literally looking over my shoulder all the time" stance.

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#103141: Oct 12th 2015 at 11:02:15 AM

Well then maybe they should stop their friends from killing black people for fun.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#103142: Oct 12th 2015 at 11:07:52 AM

Most retail and service jobs have cameras in the area. Cops just have to suck it up and deal with it especially if their job could involve killing people.

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#103143: Oct 12th 2015 at 11:10:35 AM

Most problems with it could be solved by strict standards on information availability. For example, only viewing the footage when the "he said, she said" situation actually occurs and the footage is needed as decisive evidence.

Cops aren't just fighting killers, they do other things like solving domestic disputes. I know I sure as hell wouldn't be comfortable cooperating with a cop if I knew anything they see would be watched later that day in a PD popcorn party or something.

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#103144: Oct 12th 2015 at 11:11:48 AM

On the contrary, I would be on my best behavior. But there is ample empirical evidence that the presence of cameras is almost never a significant factor in the behavior of civilians in a police intervention.

edited 12th Oct '15 11:11:59 AM by Fighteer

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#103145: Oct 12th 2015 at 11:17:59 AM

[up]Wasn't there a study claiming the complaints against LE Os dropped with cops using cameras because not only the cop was "motivated" to behave at his best but the suspects and other bystanders also did behave because they knew they wouldn't get away with being a dipshit or make a false report on a cop?

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#103146: Oct 12th 2015 at 11:19:13 AM

Hmm, I don't know. I do know that the people on shows like COPS aren't motivated to stop being dipshits because there are cameras pointed at them.

edited 12th Oct '15 11:19:27 AM by Fighteer

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#103147: Oct 12th 2015 at 11:27:21 AM

Not own. The military does not give you the weapons they train you to use.

i was talking about the two things separately (the age to get a gun permit and the age to sign up for the military). wasn't implying the military somehow gave you weapons you got to keep. sorry if i wasn't clear.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#103148: Oct 12th 2015 at 11:46:46 AM

It helps to remember that, usually, the police can weed out the completely loco before anyone gets a badge or a body cam. On the other hand, people who police need to interact with are quite often mentally ill, drunk, high, or all three.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#103149: Oct 12th 2015 at 11:48:02 AM

[up][up][up] Supposedly COPS throws out a lot of footage because of the camera crew messes up the DRAMA.

But really acting different because of the camera is a good thing, the cop generally would be safer and less difficult arrests as everyone plays the 'I'm being good' act for the camera.

edited 12th Oct '15 11:48:28 AM by Memers

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#103150: Oct 12th 2015 at 11:48:32 AM

On the other hand, people who police need to interact with are quite often mentally ill, drunk, high, or all three.

Pretty much. If your life situation requires you interacting with police, you don't always get a choice on how it happens. And vulnerable aspects of your life being up for NYPD Movie Night is an appauling prospect.


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