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CongoJack Since: May, 2014
#103051: Oct 10th 2015 at 4:19:24 PM

Even if we had all the same hardware as the police though, do you think anyone would step up to a cop who was violating someone's rights? I mean, the cops that got Sandra Bland were just a couple of uniform cops on regular duty, right? So they had, what, a couple glocks and a rifle in the trunk? And they were in Texas, so it'd be easy for a citizen to be equally or more armed, but I don't think that would change anything.

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#103052: Oct 10th 2015 at 4:42:00 PM

The cops that get shot aren't going to be the asshole ones, the asshole ones pick on people who can't afford to defend themselves, not its going to be the steet bobby who tries to break up a fight at the pub, or the community officer who does door to door checks.

If you want equal footing between the police and the people with guns for all, then you can moving to Somalia, I hear it's nice this time of year. But please don't try and create Somalia in the US, it would sucks for everyone, including the rest of the world who would have to somehow try and manage the global collapse that would come about from the US going full Somalia.

edited 10th Oct '15 4:43:00 PM by Silasw

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AngelicBraeburn from Eccentric California Since: Jan, 2015
#103053: Oct 10th 2015 at 7:31:33 PM

Head of Louisiana's Veterans Affairs steps down after probes look at conditions, oversight at nursing homes.

Complaints had been lodged by residents and family members at all the homes to the U.S., Department of Veterans Affairs and to the state Department of Health and Hospitals. Many of the incidents violated regulations.

The complaints ranged from the staff at the Louisiana War Home, in Jackson, knowing that residents were drinking and driving to the point that one intoxicated resident had to be rushed to the emergency room after falling, to a report of a nurse not following up on a resident’s complaint of being molested.

At the Southwest Louisiana War Veterans Home in Jennings, a resident was physically abused by another resident, and when no protective measures were taken, the same resident was again violated by the same person, according to the audit.

Purpera said that while individual incidents were disturbing, concern was raised that Veterans Affairs had no workable plan to monitor and react to complaints. La Certe said in the report that the department had made progress and was working on the issue.

California Governor Jerry Brown on Tuesday signed into law the strongest equal pay measure in the nation.

The California bill is expected to serve as a blueprint for other states to follow.

It allows women workers to challenge their pay based on what workers at other sites make. For example, a female grocery store clerk who works at a store could challenges higher wages earned by male workers at a store owned by the same employer a few miles away.

The employer would then have to prove that the wage difference is due to factors other than gender.

edited 10th Oct '15 7:56:35 PM by AngelicBraeburn

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#103054: Oct 10th 2015 at 7:52:50 PM

I don't think the police and civilians would be on equal footing per say. There are weapons that are technically legal for civilian ownership that nobody owns because they're prohibitively expensive.

In theory, as the police have public funding, they'll have access to even bigger guns than non-police.

Leviticus 19:34
Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#103055: Oct 10th 2015 at 8:12:41 PM

Police arent funded like that. And if they were, they would vote for a living wage, not more firepower.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#103056: Oct 10th 2015 at 8:21:20 PM

[up]Some police organizations can afford Tank-like vehicles, AR-15's, and body armor. That looks like pretty decent funding to me.

Leviticus 19:34
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#103057: Oct 10th 2015 at 8:24:53 PM

Those are hand me downs from the military. They don't actually buy them with their own money.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#103058: Oct 10th 2015 at 8:25:52 PM

They don't afford it for the most part. They get it from the Pentagon.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#103059: Oct 10th 2015 at 8:57:06 PM

And let us observe that all that funding for local police to acquire military hardware came post-9/11 when everyone thought that we were about to be invaded by hordes of screaming Muslims. "ZOMG terrorists!" was the battle cry used to shout down any and all opposition as politicians scrambled to equip their districts' cops with the best possible gear. They also started training differently, with a "shoot first" mentality. It wasn't always that way, but it became that way, very deliberately.

Remember, folks. The cops we supposedly need to arm ourselves to defend against are the very cops that we armed to defend us against all the nonexistent jihadists. The only winners in this arms race are gun manufacturers and funeral homes.

edited 10th Oct '15 11:33:43 PM by Fighteer

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#103060: Oct 10th 2015 at 8:58:15 PM

Don't forget rich white pundits. They make a lot off this mess too.

Oh really when?
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#103061: Oct 10th 2015 at 11:02:57 PM

@Protagonist: Also, even if they could, the police don't determine their own budgets - they get massive amounts of firepower and shit pay.

Department of Defense finally gets fed up with University of Phoenix, bans them from recruiting on base and bans soldiers from using federal funds to attend

Since U-Phoenix is probably the most grasping for-profit college in the nation, I like this move.

Proof that medical marijuana is not big business yet: California establishes a bureau for regulating the industry, and growers are pretty supportive.

edited 10th Oct '15 11:18:50 PM by Ramidel

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#103062: Oct 10th 2015 at 11:54:56 PM

@Fighteer As I've said before, I don't believe in arming the civilians against the police so much as arming them with the police. The civilians should be well-armed, and so should the police (and the police would have better guns for various practical reasons). That domestic terrorist groups want to overthrow the government is only further justification for an armed civilian populace and a 'militarized' police.

@Ramdiel Perhaps it's time the police have a pay raise? But nonetheless, the police have access to weapons that normal civilians don't without necessarily banning them for civilians.

edited 10th Oct '15 11:56:35 PM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#103063: Oct 10th 2015 at 11:58:11 PM

How are domestic terrorists justification for arming the populace?

Oh really when?
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#103064: Oct 10th 2015 at 11:59:59 PM

@Le Garcon If a domestic terrorist were to try something crazy, the civilians they threaten should be able to defend themselves until the police can arrive.

edited 11th Oct '15 12:01:20 AM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#103065: Oct 11th 2015 at 12:02:46 AM

Domestic terrorists are those civilians. They're not some outside actor, they're your friends and neighbors and are often pillars of the community.

Anything in civilian hands is something in their hands. You think they got those guns from some outside source? They bought them all legally right here at home.

Every Oath Keeper, every Klan member, every domestic terrorist is just as American as you and me. That's what makes them so dangerous.

edited 11th Oct '15 12:06:33 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#103066: Oct 11th 2015 at 12:40:33 AM

Considering the way terrorists perform and place their attacks, I severely doubt that being armed actually gives any non-terrorist civilian any real bit of protection. Since, you know, people keep dying in attacks by terrorists with guns. That's a terrible argument that's unpersuasive because it doesn't have proof in its favor. Just a bunch of speculative, hypothetical situations.

edited 11th Oct '15 12:41:28 AM by AceofSpades

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#103067: Oct 11th 2015 at 1:05:44 AM

Trump is getting support from last year's also-ran Herman Cain.

Donald Trump met Saturday with Herman Cain — whom the real estate mogul called "Mr. 9-9-9" — and a group of African-American pastors on how to better engage African-American voters. After Cain addressed the crowd in Norcross, Georgia, Trump praised the former presidential candidate's "9-9-9" tax proposal from the 2012 campaign. "When he said 9-9-9, I said, 'What the hell is that?' But he had a good thing," Trump told those in attendance, referring to Cain as "Mr. 9-9-9." The 9-9-9 plan would have replaced almost all current taxes and with a 9% income tax, a 9% corporate tax and a 9% national sales tax.

Cain told CNN that he's advising Trump to focus on issues during the campaign. "The thing that I'd emphasize to him — and I've done it before — is to stick to substance," Cain said. "Substance, substance, substance. And he's got plenty of substance." He added, "I think he's doing great. But you have a lot of people waiting for him to go into free fall."

Cain, who hosts a radio show, said he's not making any endorsement at this time. "I have six candidates that I'm pulling for. Politics is too fickle to pick any one person for a radio host," he said. "He's one of the six that I'm pulling for."

Trump's meeting with pastors in Georgia come after a recent get-together with religious leaders advising Trump on how to engage African-American voters, said Darrell Scott, pastor of New Spirit Revival Center in Cleveland, Ohio. "We met with him last week in New York at Trump Tower," he said. "Out of that meeting, we articulated to him that there's a disconnect between him and the black community and in order to bridge that gap, he needs to engage the black community. And the best way to engage the black community en masse is through the black church."

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#103068: Oct 11th 2015 at 1:06:01 AM

@ Garcon: At least they're not using car bombs or suicide bombers...

Keep Rolling On
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#103069: Oct 11th 2015 at 6:10:49 AM

Yet. If it actually got to the point where they started fighting we probably would see those.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#103070: Oct 11th 2015 at 6:15:12 AM

Surprised it took this long for Cain to endorse Trump. Except for race, they seem like the same guy,

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#103071: Oct 11th 2015 at 8:11:55 AM

Maybe he's after the VP slot?

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#103073: Oct 11th 2015 at 8:21:20 AM

Trump/Cain 2016? The Democrats could run anyone but their nuttiest left-wingers (I'm thinking Dennis Kucinich levels here) and still win reliably. Basically anyone who can mildly energize the Hispanic/youth vote could stop that ticket.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#103074: Oct 11th 2015 at 8:30:17 AM

What's wrong with Kucinich? :P

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#103075: Oct 11th 2015 at 8:55:46 AM

Isn't he on Fox News? How is he a left-wing nut?


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