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#102901: Oct 8th 2015 at 2:34:04 PM

[up][up] Really? Because when I've talked to Europeans, the number one thing they say is that nobody envies Americans, and absolutely nobody wants to come here.

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#102902: Oct 8th 2015 at 2:35:05 PM

North America and Europe are not the only places in the world, you know.

edited 8th Oct '15 2:35:20 PM by Aszur

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#102903: Oct 8th 2015 at 2:38:37 PM

[up][up] Europe isn't the third world.

Well it is... but only parts of it under the traditional Cold War definition, and that's not really used anymore.

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#102904: Oct 8th 2015 at 2:42:13 PM

I am glad no one is talking about being more like South America.

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#102905: Oct 8th 2015 at 2:45:02 PM

North America and Europe are not the only places in the world, you know.

He's right. I think Australia is a thing too.

Oh! And Japan. We love Japan. Thanks for not holding a grudge over that time we put you in the hospital, Japan. You started it, but I will admit, I overreacted.

edited 8th Oct '15 2:46:48 PM by TobiasDrake

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#102906: Oct 8th 2015 at 2:45:18 PM

I am sure argentinians are talking about how they are too much like europe and other dirty nations want to be like them. tongue

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#102907: Oct 8th 2015 at 2:53:23 PM

[up] I remember Polandball comics saying something about that...

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#102908: Oct 8th 2015 at 3:15:02 PM

Argentinians exterminated their black population by putting them in the frontlines of the war with Spain, or so I heard. It don't helps that a few times argentinian soccer players were caught calling black brazilian players "monkeys". Everytime they claim they are superior, they sound like exactly what you think they sound like.

edited 8th Oct '15 3:16:19 PM by MeetTheNewBoss

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#102909: Oct 8th 2015 at 3:16:42 PM

[up][up]

The Argentinian constitution for many years bound the government to encourage 'white, European' immigration, and it became a meme on 4chan's /int/ board that 'Argentina is white', essentially to mock Argentine racism.

i suspect things have vastly improved in Argentina in recent years, but they still have to grapple with racism like everyone else.

edited 8th Oct '15 3:17:51 PM by Achaemenid

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#102910: Oct 8th 2015 at 3:38:00 PM

It looks like Boehner may have to remain in the Speaker's role because Republicans cannot rally behind a replacement Speaker. This is eerily reminiscent of Cantor's collapse in 2014 when he was the heir-apparent.

We may not have to look so far after all — the solution to our problems might just be to let the Republicans continue on their current course.

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#102911: Oct 8th 2015 at 3:40:05 PM

They could nominate an outsider. Some talking heads mentioned Mitt.

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#102912: Oct 8th 2015 at 3:56:39 PM

[up][up][up] Wrote an answer to that, but I'm going to post it to the race thread.

edited 8th Oct '15 3:57:27 PM by IFwanderer

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#102913: Oct 8th 2015 at 4:21:46 PM

I'd like to add to what was said last page: yes, America is a deeply flawed country. So is every other country in the world. There will be idiots and murderers and prejudice and systemic flaws and trashy entertainment wherever you go, and treating human nature as something the rest of the world has evolved past and leaving those stupid Americans behind helps no one and only serves to make you seem like an immature teenager who just discovered that America has problems that can only be solved with overhauling everything.

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#102914: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:02:03 PM

Carson's brought out another old saw of the gun rights folks: Holocaust victims could have survived if they were armed.

Which is so goddamn ridiculous. The holocaust would have been immediate and complete if European Jews had fought back.

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#102915: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:12:50 PM

[up]I don't see why. The Nazis were already doing just about all they could to destroy the Jews. I don't think the Jews fighting back would have made their situation much worse than it already was.

Of course, the logical problem is that 1st step in any genocide plan is to disarm the people. So, if the Jews were armed, the 1st thing the Nazis would have done was disarm them...which is actually what happened.

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#102916: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:18:48 PM

Of course nobody revolts against the government without weapons.

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#102917: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:19:46 PM

If the Jews had fought back the Nazis would have skipped the whole concentration camp thing and just shot them.

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#102918: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:25:19 PM

It kinda has a point, the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto gave the Nazis one hell of a headache and these guys only had small arms and homemade explosives.

[up]The Nazis skipped the shooting and went for the concentration camps because finding all the Jews in Europe was being troublesome on its own right.

edited 8th Oct '15 5:27:58 PM by AngelusNox

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#102919: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:26:15 PM

[up][up]Shooting people is actually a less efficient/cost effective way to kill masses of people than concentration camps, or so I've been told. I recall hearing that they actually did just gun them down until they realized paying for all those bullets wasn't profitable.

edited 8th Oct '15 5:26:23 PM by Protagonist506

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#102920: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:29:58 PM

Regardless, the program against the Jews was conducted gradually enough and incrementally enough that there was no way they could have known what to expect soon enough to form an organized resistance group. What should they have done — abandoned their homes, their jobs, formed insurgent military units (with children and elderly in tow, I suppose?), gotten military grade equipment (from whom?), and counterattacked? Who would have sympathized with them?

This "perfect hindsight" revisionism is intensely dangerous, never mind naive.

edited 8th Oct '15 5:30:31 PM by Fighteer

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#102921: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:34:05 PM

[up]Well the ones in France and Poland were an active part of the partisan and resistance groups, most getting stolen weapons from the Germans and remnants of the Polish and French army. While most had to flee, those able to fight stayed to kick some Nazi ass.

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#102922: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:35:37 PM

[up]X3 Also it played hell with moral. Having the frontline guys shoot any Jews they found tended to give the front line guys emotional scars that made them not as effective solders. Having specially trained SS units gather up any Jews found and work them to death/gas them, that caused less moral problems and didn't cause emotional scars on the guys doing the murdering

edited 8th Oct '15 5:36:00 PM by Silasw

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#102923: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:41:18 PM

@Concentration Camps:That worked well enough for the Jews that didn't fight them. Had a substantial number tried to fight then they would have just shot them. It's the same thing armed revolutionaries in America would face. The government is significantly stronger than any civilian militia could ever hope to be.

edited 8th Oct '15 5:42:07 PM by Kostya

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#102924: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:42:03 PM

I think in Carson's hypothetical scenario, we're assuming they were about as armed as Texas, and would begin resistance before they were disarmed. So, 20-20 hindsight is kind of part of the scenario.

In this case, I would argue that the Holocaust would still have happened, but it would have been a lot more costly for the Nazis and not as complete.

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#102925: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:02:05 PM

European Jews weren't some damn cowboy militia group; they were businessmen, teachers, craftsmen, educated professionals of all sorts. They were too busy being productive members of society to learn insurgent military tactics... unlike those Texas idiots.

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