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#102826: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:01:48 AM

Worth noting that my local very much pro-free trade and pro-TTP newspaper in its economy section wrote about two economy studies that said that the positive job market effects of NAFTA and TTP are minimal if at all. And that was the focus point of the article, with no disclaimers or qualifiers.

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#102827: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:10:55 AM

Probably because we've had free trade for years and this stuff does nothing new for actual free trade.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#102828: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:52:56 AM

Bernie Sanders goes double-or-nothing, submitting a labor bill that would eliminate "Right to Work" laws
Bitchin'. The more both candidates come out with solid campaign platforms, the more I like what I hear. Hilary has set official positions opposing both the Keystone XL pipeline and the TTP treaty, and Sanders talking about stuff like this... I don't think I've heard an announcement from either candidate that made me :/

So Trump is going all the way to SCOUK because of that wind farm that he says ruins the view from his private golf course.
That's fairly standard for Trump. Five or so years back, he sued the Palm Beach International Airport for flying planes too low over an island he owned just off the coast.

the 2nd Amendment is a roadblock (a woefully poorly written battered roadblock that I personally think was written for a whole other time and place, but I digress.)
People say things like this a lot, but the answer is to pass a new amendment. That's why there's an amendment procedure for the Constitution in the first place. Unfortunately, the political reality is that the chances of that actually happening are somewhere between slim and none... which is also be design, because a significant portion of the country is quite happy with things as they stand now, for better or worse.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#102829: Oct 8th 2015 at 5:57:55 AM

Doing any serious rewrites or amendments concerned gun rights and the Constitutions is going to be extremely difficult as long as the Oath Keepers are around.

If memory serves they were originally founded as one of those nutjob groups with plans to go full insurgent should any unfavorable gun legislature pass and grew from there.

edited 8th Oct '15 5:58:05 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#102830: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:04:33 AM

Are people seriously voting based on the possibility of a rebellion?

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#102831: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:15:32 AM

The issue is whether the various state legislatures would pass such an amendment. I am utterly unconcerned about the Oath Keepers as a revolutionary force; what I am worried about is how local politics would affect such national referendums. Threatening to launch an armed revolt is probably not going to be very impactful on members of Congress, but a state assemblyman knows these people much more intimately and is much closer to the danger they present... indeed, may even be a sympathizer.

Also, it's "TPP", unless the Pacific Ocean got renamed to the "Tacific Ocean" when I wasn't looking. I think some folks are confusing TPP with TTIP, which is between the US and the EU.

edited 8th Oct '15 6:30:48 AM by Fighteer

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#102832: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:24:29 AM

Yeah, I'm not concerned in the slightest that the Oath Keepers would ever pose any serious threat to the federal government or America at large. They'd be crushed.

What I am concerned about is my neighborhood being turned into a warzone in the meantime.

Oh really when?
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#102833: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:44:10 AM

I don't think I've heard an announcement from either candidate that made me :/
They're saving that for the VP announcements.

Re: gun control, there was a harsh political cartoon floating around Facebook a week ago, that had a mom desperately hugging her child, and the dad desperately hugging his gun, in the aftermath of the Oregon shooting.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
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Collector Of Fine Oddities
#102834: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:46:03 AM

If nothing else the shooting was good for business. The ensuing "Obama gonna take our guns!" memes that spread as soon as the news broke caused a sizable run on sporting goods stores and gun shops for every scrap of ammo on the shelves.

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#102835: Oct 8th 2015 at 7:00:55 AM

[up] It does every time. Weapons manufacturers and retailers love mass shootings.

edited 8th Oct '15 7:01:07 AM by Fighteer

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#102836: Oct 8th 2015 at 7:01:47 AM

wild mass guessMass shootings are a conspiracy by the arms sector to ensure saleswild mass guess

...Yeah, that's solidly in Dude, Not Funny! territory. >.<

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#102837: Oct 8th 2015 at 7:02:13 AM

My local pawn shop has taken to putting out signs whenever they have .22 ammo in stock because people keep buying out the whole store within a day.

This level of paranoia isn't sustainable. It's gotta snap eventually.

Oh really when?
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#102838: Oct 8th 2015 at 7:03:42 AM

Will it really...? I feel like ever since Obama took office people have been buying MORE guns because they fear the apocalypse.

...I meanwhile have been constantly disappointed by the absence of an apocalypse.

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#102839: Oct 8th 2015 at 8:11:35 AM

Heh, I'm still snickering at some of my "gubbmint's'a comin!" relatives who went out after sandy hook and bought something like 10k rounds of assorted calibers. Most of it is already corroding in their basement or in a bunch of pits they buried some of it in.

edited 8th Oct '15 8:11:48 AM by carbon-mantis

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#102840: Oct 8th 2015 at 8:14:28 AM

Stupid question. Are bullets perishable?

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#102841: Oct 8th 2015 at 8:17:07 AM

By design I'm pretty sure. The primers will go bad eventually.

Plus there's corrosion and so on from improper storage and the like.

Oh really when?
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#102842: Oct 8th 2015 at 8:59:22 AM

[up][up]Yes although there are storage methods for retarding same.

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Warder of the damned
#102843: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:11:30 AM

[up]You usually dose them in delicious cosmoline.

It is also a bad idea to store ammo in humid places, specially if you like to handload your cartridges since humidity can spoil your gun powder before you load in and some types of gun powder are corrosive.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#102844: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:12:24 AM

Stupid question. Are bullets perishable?
Yes, especially if stored in less-than-ideal conditions. If moisture gets into the powder (which happens sooner in humid climates and/or if the cartridge gets corroded), it won't fire reliably anymore. Then you get to deal with fun things like misfires, ie bullets that may or may not go off spontaneously at any time.

Mass shootings are a conspiracy by the arms sector to ensure sales
It's been said before, but it's worth saying again: major gun manufacturers don't really give a damn about gun control one way or the other. They're generally happy to comply with government regulation in exchange for protection from liability. It's the gun rights lobby (ie, the NRA) that froths with rage at the mere mention of gun control, and since many gun owners look to the NRA for cues on the issue, they have enormous influence. Smith & Wesson was nearly bankrupted by an NRA-organized boycott in 2000, after they made a deal with the Clinton administration to implement gun several gun safety provisions.

edited 8th Oct '15 9:13:01 AM by NativeJovian

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#102845: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:29:56 AM

I am not American, and know next to nothing about guns, but I really have a hard time thinking that any number of guns among the population would have an effect in an hypothetical rebellion.

The US Army is, as far as I know, the most powerful in the world, and the only trouble it has when fighting a war is that the Marines are deployed in foreign countries they do not know as well as, well, the people that lived here their entire life. Would a civil war ever occur in America, the insurgents wouldn't even have home-court advantage. Or tanks. Or drones.

Plus, if I may add, the US of A are not the best place in the world for guerilla warfare. It's easier to resist and ambush when the streets are smaller (that's actually why there are "Grands Boulevards" - large streets - in Paris: it's much harder to create barricades when the streets are wide).

edited 8th Oct '15 9:30:40 AM by Julep

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#102846: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:31:07 AM

However, one has to take into the account the possibility of the army splitting itself as well...

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#102847: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:44:46 AM

Breaking news: Kevin McCarthy has dropped his bid to become Speaker of the House of Representatives. The GOP has delayed their internal party vote which will precede the October 29th floor vote by the whole house.

Now the only candidates are Chaffetz, recently known for crying over how much he wanted to cut planned parenthood funding so that the money could be spent elsewhere, and Daniel Webster, the choice of the House Freedom Caucus.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#102848: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:45:52 AM

Wait so if bullets go bad then it means these idiots aren't just wasting money they're wasting money on something that won't even work?

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#102849: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:47:30 AM

Wow. McCarthy is dropping from the Speaker's race... I did not see that coming. Rachel Maddow is going to have a field day tonight. She might well take credit for it.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#102850: Oct 8th 2015 at 9:55:47 AM

[up][up]Uhm, not really. It takes a very long time for bullets to spoil. You can still find ammo dating from WWII in working condition.

Most of the ammo being stashed usually gets spent long before they can spoil, it would need some very extreme conditions for ammo to spoil early, like open storage in places like Florida during the summer.

The failure rate of properly conserved ammo is very low.

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