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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#102651: Oct 4th 2015 at 5:06:58 PM

Well the MSF is calling for an independent inquiry with the presumption that a war crime was committed Presumably they do not grasp that independent inquiry and the presumption of guilt on one party are oxymoronic.

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#102652: Oct 4th 2015 at 5:12:42 PM

"Presumption of guilt"? I'm sorry, but the U.S. is the party that dropped the bomb, unless there is some doubt on that point that hasn't been discussed in any of the articles about it.

The question is not, "Did we do it," the question is, "Should we have known not to do it?" More specifically, "Did we exercise proper diligence in determining whether our bomb target was a legitimate hostile entity?"

edited 4th Oct '15 5:15:35 PM by Fighteer

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#102653: Oct 4th 2015 at 5:14:01 PM

[up] The presumption of guilt of a war crime, which is in doubt.

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#102654: Oct 4th 2015 at 5:16:02 PM

Who's presuming guilt? There is an investigation to determine if a war crime occurred. That is entirely proper after an incident like this.

edited 4th Oct '15 5:16:09 PM by Fighteer

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#102655: Oct 4th 2015 at 5:17:19 PM

I would call it rather ill-timed when you are currently trying to convince the world that Putin is bombing the wrong targets in Syria.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#102656: Oct 4th 2015 at 5:19:13 PM

[up][up] The call for the investigation. The organization is calling for an "independent investigation with the presumption that a war crime was committed." Not that the US dropped a bomb on a hospital, but that a war crime was committed. It doesn't matter anyway, everyone will do their own investigations, and they all will reach their own predetermined conclusions. Our guys will conclude that it was ether a "tragic accident" or that their were Taliban in their and they deserved to get bombed. At most we'll make somebody a scapegoat in public. The UN or whatever other NGO conducts an investigation will conclude this was the worse war crime in human history and that we are worse than the Taliban.

[up] When is bombing a hospital ever well timed?

edited 4th Oct '15 5:19:53 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#102657: Oct 4th 2015 at 5:19:50 PM

The civilian organisation that was the victim of the strike are presuming guilt, I can't really blame them for that, they did kind just get bombed by the US.

The UN or whatever other NGO conducts an investigation will conclude this was the worse war crime in human history and that we are worse than the Taliban.

It's total bullshit hyperbole statements like this that make it hard for us to ever take you seriously Jack.

edited 4th Oct '15 5:23:43 PM by Silasw

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#102658: Oct 4th 2015 at 5:20:30 PM

Isn't randomly bombing things you're not sure of in itself a war crime?

[up][up][up] Sigh, I'll prepare myself for the coming weeks of our media parading that.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#102659: Oct 4th 2015 at 5:23:28 PM

[up] Can't say I blame them, we would be parading this shit as well in your media's place, hell we did with that airline shoot down, though I will point out that we have all but admitted responsibility, as opposed to trying to formulate random conspiracy theories to explain away the incident.

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#102660: Oct 4th 2015 at 5:25:03 PM

[up][up] Not exercising due dillegance is a war crime, so if the US did do its due dillegance but this happened anyway then it's not a war crime, just a really tragic accident.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#102661: Oct 4th 2015 at 6:43:49 PM

Crisis averted. Four California students were arrested for planning a mass shooting at their school.

"The suspects plan was very detailed in nature and included names of would be victims, locations and the methods in which the plan was to be carried out," the sheriff's department said in a Facebook post.

High school officials reported to authorities on Wednesday that three students were planning to carry out an attack. During their investigation, detectives learned that a fourth student was involved in the plot, the sheriff's office said.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#102662: Oct 4th 2015 at 6:45:32 PM

Re: The Bombing, the question right now isn't so much whether the US bombed a target it shouldn't have, but whether they did everything in their power to identify the target correctly beforehand?

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#102663: Oct 4th 2015 at 7:24:49 PM

Meanwhile, in the US of A political arena...

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#102664: Oct 4th 2015 at 8:13:47 PM

I think I know who I'm going to dress up as for Halloween

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#102665: Oct 5th 2015 at 7:48:07 AM

Cross-posted from the Military thread:

Bellingcat's open source investigation into the Kunduz MSF hospital bombing suggests that it wasn't a bomber but an AC-130 responsible. Apparently the Afghan military alleged that the hospital compound was a Taliban base. Bad intel leading to the Belgrade Chinese Embassy attack, Take Two?

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#102666: Oct 5th 2015 at 8:14:43 AM

[up] Great, the air force is so going to use this as an excuse to get rid of the Warthog. Edit: Never mind I got the designation wrong.

edited 5th Oct '15 8:18:12 AM by JackOLantern1337

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#102668: Oct 5th 2015 at 8:22:21 AM

[up][up]The Army would happily take the Warthog off the Airforces hands...

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#102669: Oct 5th 2015 at 8:26:49 AM

It's times like these when the irrational part of my mind wants us to wash our hands of the Afghans and let them fight their own damn wars, since they are clearly too incompetent to deserve our help.

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optimusjamie Since: Jun, 2010
#102670: Oct 5th 2015 at 8:28:30 AM

[up] And what does the rational partof your brain say?

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#102671: Oct 5th 2015 at 8:30:44 AM

The Afghans are also in the Taliban, so it ain't incompetence. Besides, they're actually pushing back, unlike the Iraqis.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#102672: Oct 5th 2015 at 8:32:38 AM

The rational part says that success in the Afghan conflict is in our national interest as a means of curbing the spread of terrorism, which is a threat to global stability, and that this incident, while making headlines, is relatively minor in the grand scheme of things.

edited 5th Oct '15 8:46:59 AM by Fighteer

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#102673: Oct 5th 2015 at 8:34:30 AM

Texas governor Greg Abbott (R) takes a potshot at the Dallas Cowboy's defense by comparing it to the Texas border with Mexico.

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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#102674: Oct 5th 2015 at 8:36:50 AM

Stay classy Greg.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#102675: Oct 5th 2015 at 8:38:07 AM

Damn man. I understand (despise, but understand) such cracks at fellow politicians, but sports teams? Really?


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