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#102526: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:16:51 PM

When a child grabs a knife and threatens or attempts to stab another kid, it is important to address the behavior that led the child to wanting to stab another child. It's important to teach the child that this behavior is unacceptable and that there are better ways to get what they want. It's important that the child understands how to manage anger and accept disappointment in those cases where the child cannot have what he or she wants.

But the first thing you should do is take away the knife.

edited 2nd Oct '15 1:18:03 PM by TobiasDrake

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#102527: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:17:02 PM

Except we're not talking about ban all guns as a realistic solution. We're talking about making it significantly harder to get them.

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#102528: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:18:18 PM

I think I just read someone saying prison should be better if there are more white people on them. That's sounds a half-bit racist to me.

Look man, I will tell something about constitutions. Don't change them too often. People must have faith on them. They must believe we aren't changing the rules on a whim to satisfy our momentary interests. If we change something, it must be through a equilibrated and rational debate, not screaming like a child until you get what you want.

Otherwise you will look like that kind of government and nation that is about to fall in a dictatorial state of things.

edited 2nd Oct '15 1:21:20 PM by MeetTheNewBoss

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#102529: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:37:16 PM

[up] As opposed to the current situation, which targets blacks and Hispanics to fill out the private prison population?

Don't try to pull a slippery slope argument on us. We aren't interested.

edited 2nd Oct '15 1:37:30 PM by Fighteer

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#102530: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:44:15 PM

We've changed the constitution before. They're called the "amendments". We even had one amendment (the 21st) that nullified a previous amendment (the 18th - both related to prohibition). So this isn't really new.

edited 2nd Oct '15 1:47:25 PM by BonsaiForest

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#102531: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:47:16 PM

[up]

At the same time, none of the "Bill of Rights" amendments has ever been touched, save for various restrictions on how far-ranging they are ("Fire" in a crowded theater, incitation to violence, etc.)

[down]

Modifying, yes, but not Amendment-level modification.

edited 2nd Oct '15 1:59:22 PM by ironballs16

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#102532: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:47:59 PM

save for various restrictions on how far-ranging they are

That's actually still modifying it. A restriction changes the rules, even if only a little.

Know-age Since: May, 2010
#102533: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:50:24 PM

I heard recently that Boehner, a catholic, resigned only one day after meeting with pope Francis.

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#102534: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:56:45 PM

I'm of the opinion that the US need more practical, standardized requirements for gun ownership, though I agree that will not address the root of the issue.

Now, I believe I saw an article here that explained how the church shooter from a few months ago should not have been able to get the guns he got due to miscommunication between the people/departments required for approval. And nobody knows the situation with the recent school shooter's guns, as far as I know.

So, if we have a system that doesn't (always) work, do we fix it, or do we get rid of it? (and presumably replace it with something else)

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#102535: Oct 2nd 2015 at 1:59:31 PM

If it weren't so broken, we wouldn't be in this situation, so certainly that's an issue. Regardless of how strictly we handle licensing and education and purchasing rules, someone will slip through the cracks. That is an argument in favor of a total ban, in fact.

Still, we are so near the bottom as it is that any particular "up" will be quite an improvement, relatively speaking.

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#102536: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:06:40 PM

[up] How total is total? Disarm the Police? The Military?

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#102537: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:07:08 PM

Of course not, the state should have a monopoly on force is all.

Oh really when?
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#102538: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:09:36 PM

More or less. There might have been a reason to be concerned about the need for a revolution to take the country back from its government at one point in time, but at the moment the only reason to be concerned is that the right wing, which is the side most in love with its guns, might shut out all democratic voices, and the left wing isn't about to rise up in armed revolt.

It is rather tragically ironic that the totalitarian regime that the Right fears is most likely to be instituted by its own leaders. We might all look back at 2016 as the year we elected King Donald I.

edited 2nd Oct '15 2:22:39 PM by Fighteer

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#102539: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:10:36 PM

Actually, about that disarming the police part... doesn't the UK do that? I heard British cops don't have guns.

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#102541: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:10:56 PM

Maybe the Federal Government should exclusively have that monopoly, by Federalising all Police Forces and National Guard Units?

[up] Correct. Armed officers are roughly equivalent to US SWAT Units.

edited 2nd Oct '15 2:11:34 PM by Greenmantle

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#102542: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:12:42 PM

While that level of centralization would really help things I think we're waaaay to big for that to be an option.

Some things ultimately must happen at the State level if only because the US is just too fucking huge for it to be otherwise.

The problem is of course getting to States to realize the Federal Government has the final word in any discussion and complete sovereignty over them.

edited 2nd Oct '15 2:14:28 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
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#102543: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:12:57 PM

It is rather tragically ironic that the totalitarian regime that the Right fears is most likely to be instituted by its own leaders.

That's a feature of all totalitarian regimes. They always try to spin things to make it look like everyone but them is the totalitarian one somehow. "Life is worse everywhere else" is one of the lies a totalitarian regime depends on.

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#102544: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:17:05 PM

[up][up]I don't really see the point in federalizing local police and guard units. Maybe that's where we're headed, eventually, but there is a certain purpose behind the decentralization of power in the United States: specifically, as a protection against a tyranny of some sort. If it should happen that some power-mad psycho gets elected President, I would not like to have all of the nation's police and military at his instant command.

edited 2nd Oct '15 2:17:17 PM by Fighteer

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#102545: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:45:07 PM

I think I am the only one here who doesn't like the idea of the government having the monopoly of force.

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#102547: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:55:37 PM

I trust the Feds more than I trust my neighbors is all.

A lot more.

Oh really when?
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#102548: Oct 2nd 2015 at 2:58:42 PM

Regardless of trust, you probably don't want the Feds to micromanage everything. It's bad for everyone.

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#102549: Oct 2nd 2015 at 3:01:12 PM

Yep, but we've also got the big problem here in the US with the States thinking that they are their own sovereign entities.

They're regional managers at best and need to be reigned it, they're killing people.

Oh really when?
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#102550: Oct 2nd 2015 at 3:04:56 PM

I think I am the only one here who doesn't like the idea of the government having the monopoly of force.

Must be because of all the Death Squads that have happened around you. The history of the U.S does not have as many government abuses. It was founded allegedly for them. But in its history as a modern nation it has done more fascist shit to other countries than it has to itself.

Basically, they (lucky for them) have had the luck of not yet facing a true dictator or fascist in their government. But they live and were created with fear and paranoia of it ever happening.

The problem as Garcon points above is that too much centralization makes it so that one mistake no matter how little, becomes huge. And too much descentralization leads to too much separation, as it is right now.

edited 2nd Oct '15 3:05:48 PM by Aszur

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