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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Yeah I still don't get how we went from a discussion on artistic nostalgia for eras where things sucked, to one on US laws on if sexual images that depict fictional under-age characters shodul be illegal.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranOK. The media coverage of mass shootings is starting to get ridiculous. Stop giving these people attention! It's like the [[Useful Notes:Columbine Columbine]] shooting where the shooters got their names and faces everywhere. Stop giving these people what they want!
Also, to everyone else thinking of shooting someplace up: please stop. You're going to be Why We Cant Have Nice Things.
I think the problem a lot of people by now are having is that exactly that isn't happening.
Shootings happen and not a fuck moves in terms of gun laws. At this point you could use a Vulcan minigun on a pickup to shoot up a trailer park and people would say that those trailers obviously needed machine guns to return fire.
"You can reply to this Message!"Less guns is not going to particularly solve the problem of crazies who think people are out to get them and the only way to solve them is to martyr themselves in blood.
Guns DO make the problem worse tho
edited 2nd Oct '15 10:25:06 AM by Aszur
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesMore or less gun laws won't do much to solve the issue of spree killers.
The most sensible solutions would take decades to properly implement and not some "feel good, head of the moment" laws.
Even then spree killers will find a way to kill, be it from legal guns, illegal ones, home made bombs, bladed weapons or even poison and chemical attacks.
The problem with crazy people is that most of them can pass up for mentally normal people until they do something stupid.
Even Norway had mentally unstable people like Breivik causing havoc, go further south in the Americas and instead of mentally challenged people shooting schools (it happens but still) you have mentally challenged people joining gangs and then passing killing sprees as regular crime.
What makes it jarring was that the dipshit who shot up the college did say things about spending more time in the limelight if the body count is high enough, in the end he is another Attention Whore looking for fame at the cost of other people's lives and his own.
Inter arma enim silent legesLoli porn is not equivalent to child porn per Free Speech Coalition v. Ashcroft, one of the earlier big SC cases of the Bush administration. Although i think they may have put another law about it on the books, it's definitely never enforced since plenty of U.S. sites will openly host it (though sites with a more international audience will host it, but severely segregate it to make sure that some people don't commit crimes inadvertently).
Funny thing on advocacy groups with deceptive names, the Free Speech Coalition was just a porn industry front.
Your rights end where other people's rights begin. Without assuming that I am a proponent of Orwellian systems, there is a reason why certain things have to be regulated: explosive hazards, bioinfectious material, enviromental hazards.
You can't dip a street in oil and set it on fire in your property and then cry "Mah freedom" when, for safety issues, the government will shut you down for this shit.
And sadly, people have proven to be too stupid not necesarily in how to use guns mechanically, but rather, in what guns are used for.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesDon't ask me how I know this, but the another law in question is about images depicting abusive loli porn. If a fictional child is depicted as raped or abused, it's an illegal image the site is required to remove. The sites treat it like it is enforcable(or just don't want to take any chances).
As far to my [don't ask] knowledge, no site treats it as some kind of an infringment on their rights and notes that they don't want to see such content anyway. I have no problem with that.
P.S. And yes, I'm talking about US laws specifically.
edited 2nd Oct '15 10:44:02 AM by Luminosity
What I meant is that, if you ban something, people will find ways around it. And not simply find ways, they will desesperately create similar, but different things. It's like the Streisand effect, the difference is that you show Streisand's neighbor instead.
edited 2nd Oct '15 10:47:42 AM by MeetTheNewBoss
You claim that God is opressing us, but I see you opressing others without needing a God.edited 2nd Oct '15 10:48:20 AM by Aszur
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesI'm with Eddie Izzard on this matter: guns do not kill people. They do, however, make the task of killing people substantially easier. If you point your finger at someone and go, "BANG! BANG BANG BANG!" not much happens.
In our defense, we don't care about the rest of you lot and often forget you even exist. Wait, no, what's the opposite of "defense"?
Seriously, I keep hearing, "Well, if you take away the guns, then people will still obtain them and keep shooting people," but how many school shootings did the U.K. have this year? Or Scandinavia. How many Scandinavian kids shot up their school this year?
edited 2nd Oct '15 10:51:22 AM by TobiasDrake
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The problem with "guns don't kill people" is a core one. Guns are created for killing people. Causing harm is their only function.

I wasn't even trying to do that. I was just venting on how I find it irritating that they are nostalgic for times that made the average person miserable because they were more "vibrant." As a general rule I find you can appreciate work form a different era, but it would be foolish to ever want to go back.
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.