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Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#102076: Sep 28th 2015 at 9:17:11 AM

[up][up]I've been hoping that a new left wing party would form, vacate the Democratic party for the Establishment to slip into and push slightly right, then leave the know-nothings to perish in the host they've long since sucked dry.

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#102077: Sep 28th 2015 at 9:28:22 AM

If the Republican party were to collapse and the Democratic party fracture into a moderate/right party and a progressive/left party, then that would basically bring our politics in line with the rest of the developed world (where mainstream Democratic policy is considered center-right by their standards).

I'd actually be fucking thrilled if that happened, but I'm not holding my breath for it. If it happens, it'll happen on its own, and there's relatively little that outside parties can do to influence it.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#102078: Sep 28th 2015 at 10:24:23 AM

Putin will likely say that NATO is a destabilizing force in Europe, and may add that the West broke a (disputed) 1990 promise that NATO would not expand "one inch to the east" if a reunified Germany joined the military alliance.

Query: How much of a stink did they raise when Poland or the Baltic States joined NATO?

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#102079: Sep 28th 2015 at 10:25:37 AM

The most we can hope for is a realignment to put the know-nothing segment on the back-burner as far as influence in whichever party they choose to align with. They're not going to be the defining majority any longer, but it will be a long time before they hit permanent minority status as far as government goes.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#102080: Sep 28th 2015 at 10:31:01 AM

[up][up]I remember Putin going ballistic when Poland joined NATO and the plans to include a land based ABM shield there.

But then, it isn't as much a NATO encroachment of ex-soviet republics as it is said republics seeing NATO as a sure way of them not being fucked over by Russia and thus applying to join.

Inter arma enim silent leges
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#102081: Sep 28th 2015 at 10:51:12 AM

[up] The gall of them not wanting that. Clearly they are just bitter Russophobeic fasciststongue

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#102082: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:02:22 AM

But all countries must become one with Russia.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#102083: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:33:11 AM

These antimissile defenses were really suspect, though.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#102084: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:40:38 AM

The US Republican Party is the only conservative party in democracies to be climate deniers.

The other 8 conservative parties stress emissions control and stopping global warming.

edited 28th Sep '15 11:40:56 AM by AnotherGuy

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#102085: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:46:12 AM

And now to throw a monkey wrench into Trump's rhetoric: New study shows that immigration from Latin America is falling, and that immigration from Asia is on the rise.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#102086: Sep 28th 2015 at 11:59:19 AM

Trump's base probably considers that even worse - At least the Mexicans have the decency to be half-white. /s

Schild und Schwert der Partei
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#102087: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:01:09 PM

Nah, remember: Trump's railing about how China is stealing our jobs. Now they're just coming here to do it!

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#102088: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:13:36 PM

I've seen it said before so I'll say it again: If someone with no English skills, no qualifications and no experience could take your job from you, you probably didn't deserve it.

Or something.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#102089: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:16:08 PM

Most jobs immigrants take away from Americans are jobs the average American thinks that are bellow them.

This is why I easily managed to work on two jobs on Baltimore, the number of people getting in and then quitting was very high.

Inter arma enim silent leges
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#102090: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:23:23 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] For the life of me I will never understand why a country building anti missile defenses is considered suspect.

Edit: And by suspect I mean immoral or wrong, not suspicious.

edited 28th Sep '15 12:23:50 PM by JackOLantern1337

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#102091: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:50:09 PM

Because it makes it harder for Russia to bully them into doing what it wants.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#102092: Sep 28th 2015 at 12:52:52 PM

[up][up]

Except he saw it as suspicious, for the same reason people in the US are skeptical about the Iran deal - the assumption that they're saying one thing, but going to do another that's related to it ("Build nuclear plants" -> create nuclear weapons; "Build Anti-ballistic Missile bases" -> building ballistic missile bases pointed at Russia)

edited 28th Sep '15 12:57:07 PM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#102093: Sep 28th 2015 at 1:03:22 PM

Just because some countries might wanna join your little club, doesn't mean one must always allow them in with open arms. Balance of power is a thing, and try to unbalance too far one way, the other side eventually reacts.

As it happens, those very countries who have joined NATO are now trying to force it into a conflict not involving any NATO member. Eastern Europe's interests are not the same as Western Europe's, Russia or no Russia.

The presumption that Russia pursuing its interests is evil and/or must always be agitated against by the West is to the West's detriment because it doesn't match practical priorities, only the priorities of momentum and old biases.

This current idiocy going on with the US's reaction to Russian support for Assad is case in point. Obama wants him gone AND Daesh gone, yet doesn't bother to put the needed resources for either or both, and then gets mad when Russia does.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#102094: Sep 28th 2015 at 1:09:40 PM

Russia always had ballistic missiles pointed towards it, by the US, French and British subs, but US CB Gs and other continental missile silos.

The ABM defense in Poland severely undermines Russia's ability to use IRBM and other nuclear assets as a major bargain point when addressing the region because there is a supposed counter to them.

Of course nuclear threats would never be explicitly used but they are heavily implied and having an ABM defense would allow the NATO aligned nations under the ABM umbrella to have some bargaining ground and call on the bluffs.

Inter arma enim silent leges
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#102095: Sep 28th 2015 at 1:13:44 PM

Except now Poland is pulling a Pakistan and is using this defense as a shroud to pursue policies that are intentionally belligerent. There is nothing defensive about it anymore.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#102096: Sep 28th 2015 at 1:50:53 PM

Basically a lot of these less powerful Eastern European countries want in on NATO so they can settle personal scores without fear of retaliation from Russia.

And NATO really isn't into that.

Oh really when?
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#102097: Sep 28th 2015 at 1:57:08 PM

If you guys don't drop the Cold war politics I am turning this car around and we're not going to Disneyland.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#102098: Sep 28th 2015 at 1:59:04 PM

When is Jindal dropping out?

[1]

edited 28th Sep '15 2:01:31 PM by FFShinra

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#102099: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:08:05 PM

[up][up] Add "Holiday Road" as the background music.

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#102100: Sep 28th 2015 at 2:16:56 PM

[up][up][up] Disney Land is so overrated, I'd rather get wasted instead.tongue

[up]That song is annoying.

edited 28th Sep '15 2:38:48 PM by Skycobra51

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