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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Rubio is rising in the polls, and Bush is still a contender among those who actually want to win the general. That Walker faltered didn't mean he wasn't being looked at seriously. It just meant he was unable to live up to the expectation (as the debates proved). Eventually the field does have to narrow, after all. Also Trump HAS faltered in the debates, and the GOP is horrified right now. The hell was I wrong about?
And I tell you to keep quiet because you basically do nothing but post 1. Trump does something. 2. ???? 3. PROFIT! You're the only one here who does.
edited 21st Sep '15 9:54:01 PM by FFShinra
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Megan Kelly apologized to Trump. Also I could point out that the first to drop out was Perry but that is petty.
edited 21st Sep '15 9:56:27 PM by BAFFU
Yeah, because the network forced her to. And he still went to war with her anyway. He tried that shit again on Fiorina and she mic-dropped him. That the carnival barker is good at dogwhistling doesn't mean he wasn't losing support for the shit he was pulling.
And there is a difference between hoping and predicting. I absolutely abhor Jindal and I STILL wish he had dropped out first.
That's an invitation for others to make a prediction and an expression of hope, which is very much not a prediction. And your're right, invoking Could Say It, But... is petty, so why you just did it I fail to understand.
Well it was in the same post so I just felt like pointing it out. Sometimes I am petty I do admit. Sorry about that (sincerity mode)... (also it is used as a rhetorical device).
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The thing is you are not happy about Trump being in the lead and would rather talk about something else.
Also in every debate you have suggested that Trump's performance would hurt him and the opposite has become true.
So please stop bullying people into not talking about the leading candidate in the GOP primaries.
edited 21st Sep '15 10:04:10 PM by BAFFU
The opposite has come true? Have you not read the polls? Just because they gave him a pass the first time doesn't mean he wasn't going to feel the heat eventually.
I make my own statements based on observation, not hopes. I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, so I don't have any personal angst at his rise.
And if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I get on Jack's case all the time for Chinese Doomy Dooms of Doom and lack of spellcheck, and he's still game. You can't expect to maintain a one note in the hopes of reigning chaos and not get called out on it. You have yet to actually defend why Trump will win with any sort of genuine support (other than implying all republicans are sycophantic morons who don't pay attention to policy), you just want him to to either see the general be a one-sided race or see the world doomed.
Whatever.
If that is how you feel then I will be quiet... if it makes you feel better.
(also what are the polls you are reading? Besides your imaginary polls that is)
But in a month, when Trump or Carson are in the lead I will quote you again and then we will see who is actually seeing the world trough the filter of their own personal expectations.
edited 21st Sep '15 10:49:35 PM by BAFFU
Right now, I don't think it's safe to call either race. Trump is currently leading. It is possible that that lead will stay, it is also possible that another candidate will come to dominate a niche after enough blood is shed. It's also possible that the polls have nothing to do with which candidates will win over the guys who show up for the caucuses and primaries.
Walker falling, for example, gives more space to Christie, Bush, and apparently Fiorina. (Related to this, personally I think Trump's chances depend on just how split the vote is - he's not likely to pick up many votes from anyone but Ben Carson or Ted Cruz.)
On another note, I was just struck by a thought. Is Fiorina's surge related to her having an "underdog" image? She first showed herself off in the undercard debate, and now she gets to reap the rewards of looking like she's holding her ground despite being way out of her weight class. She's a Sleeper Hit, if you will.
edited 21st Sep '15 10:35:36 PM by Ramidel
Well if you look at the "batshit crazy" (as opposed to the simply deranged) vote of the republican party, that is, if you add Ben Carson, Ted Cruz and Trump you will get more than 50%.
Also if you look at the debates the three of them have been pretty careful not to criticize each other.
edited 21st Sep '15 10:40:51 PM by BAFFU
Quite frankly, Senator Armstrong is a more appealing candidate than pretty much anyone in the Republican race. Shame he doesn't exist, otherwise the presidential race would be a lot more interesting.
I actually saw a tumblr post comparing Armstrong and Trump. While the points for Armstrong use some Jedi Truth for obvious reasons, he still comes off as being more appealing than Trump.
edited 21st Sep '15 10:50:13 PM by Cronosonic
@Baff - The CNN polls, like everyone else. I don't do "imaginary", and if you want to try snide driveby insults even when saying "you'll be quiet", then don't bother pretending you are doing so.
Carson's lead is also falling, and that was before this nonsense about presidential qualifications. The man is sleepy and boring and can only get away with niceness for so long. Policy details are what serious voters want, which is why both Fiorina and Rubio are on an upswing.
Also the batshit crazy vote is overrepresented this early in the race. One normally wouldn't know it from the media coverage, but lotta people just don't care yet. And less so with so many candidates that inevitably get shoehorned out.
@Ramidel - Fiorina will hit a ceiling eventually. She hasn't had to go toe to toe with anyone other than Trump yet and while she has good comebacks, she also comes across as slightly overrehersed, and against a better debater, that can come to haunt her. Of course, she may not be showing her full potential yet, so who knows. She was able to surprise twice already so she could have more in the tank.
She needs to do something about being so dour though. She always looks irritated, even when smiling. Granted, against Hillary, that could balance out since Clinton also seems a tad...I dunno. Cold. Against Bernie though? Forget it.
edited 21st Sep '15 11:14:10 PM by FFShinra
well yea. That poll changes everything.
I am surprised Fiorina is polling at 15%
Still there is some spread between this poll and the two other resent polls. And the sample size is rather small.
But yea I was wrong about Fiorina.
Still, I might be very wrong on this, but I dont think Fiorina will hold. If she does she might very well win the nomination. I dont see Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio winning, thats for sure.
edited 21st Sep '15 11:32:01 PM by BAFFU
Question: does the RNC necessarily have to choose the most popular candidate? Because if they really, truly don't like Trump and don't think he has enough of the popular vote to contend in the end, they could still choose someone else for it.
Honestly I'm a bit foggy on how the whole process works. It sounds like letting the public choose in this case is something of a courtesy, a formality, rather than anything legally binding for either party.
If it's a foregone conclusion that one candidate is going to win the nomination, then the delegates sometimes switch their votes to the inevitable winner just to say the nomination was unanimous. During the '08 Democratic National Convention, when it became obvious that Clinton wasn't going to score enough delegates, she basically told all of them to switch their votes to Obama.
And if there is no clear majority among the candidates after the delegates vote, then it becomes a free for all to get delegates to switch over to another candidate. Historically, this is how Lincoln went from a distant second during the first vote at the Republican Convention, to equal with the front runner, to overcoming him, to finally getting enough delegates to switch for him after that last round of voting.
In regards to the Trump/Fiorina polling - keep in mind that at the start of the year, Walker was the one leading the pack. As recently as July, actually
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By that logic, we should all be looking forward to January when Huckabee wins the nomination?

Like I am not saying you are a bad person or dumb or anything. I am just saying on this particular topic "us politics" you've been pretty off the mark.
Also do you have a vendetta against me? Every time I post something about Trump you post to tell me to shut up.
edited 21st Sep '15 9:49:18 PM by BAFFU