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#101277: Sep 19th 2015 at 10:45:03 AM

I kinda some fun watching the European know nothings berating the Americans for being backwards while at the same time pushing for austerity policies that will make things worse for them and criticizing the US for being racist and its treatment towards immigrants, while closing every single border and using water cannons on refugees.

Not so different eh?

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#101279: Sep 19th 2015 at 10:53:44 AM

Well, no, because we can point at that and say "See? This is why this shit doesn't work".

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#101280: Sep 19th 2015 at 10:57:56 AM

Trump position on gun rights which is pretty much what you'd expect from someone like him. Gonna post it so you don't have to give his site page views.

PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Donald J. Trump on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.

The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.

It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:

Enforce The Laws On The Books

We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.

Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.

Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.

Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.

Fix Our Broken Mental Health System

Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.

All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.

And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.

We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.

Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners

GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.

BACKGROUND CHECKS. There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.

NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.

MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS. Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves.

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#101281: Sep 19th 2015 at 10:59:21 AM

Deep down Europe isn't that much better than the US when it comes to the treatment of minorities and immigrants.

Europe just went through some decades without having to deal with some of the issues US did, but now it does.

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#101282: Sep 19th 2015 at 11:04:33 AM

[up][up]I agree with that last point, personnel on military bases should carry firearms, it might help prevent things like Fort Hood from happening.

The others are interesting to say the least.

edited 19th Sep '15 11:08:31 AM by Skycobra51

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#101284: Sep 19th 2015 at 11:09:48 AM

Hypocrisy runs deep in politics.

edited 19th Sep '15 11:10:10 AM by Skycobra51

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#101286: Sep 19th 2015 at 11:25:48 AM

Wait, Hillary started that? I thought it was a (proto-) Tea Party thing?

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#101287: Sep 19th 2015 at 11:30:46 AM

i wouldn't exactly call europe smart nowadays, what with right-wing governments replicating the republicans by playing soft with big business and multinational corporations

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#101288: Sep 19th 2015 at 11:30:46 AM

That is one hell of a misleading article title. It basically amounts to Hillary not doing enough to deny it. She did not start the rumors on purpose.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#101289: Sep 19th 2015 at 11:52:32 AM

The Democrats aren't free from racism, which is really what you saw a lot of in the 2008 primary. As long as it wasn't Clinton's campaign itself actively promoting this idea (rather, her supporters, who could have been as much anti-Obama as pro-Clinton)

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#101290: Sep 19th 2015 at 12:02:46 PM

Where did they even get the idea that Obama was a Muslim? I honestly thought that was a joke, made up to mock the people accusing him of being a communist, or of not being a US citizen.

Also, us Europeans are no better than America. Some of us have voted in people only nominally better than Trump. I expect US gets stereotyped with all the flaws it gets because it has a greater global media representation than any other single nation, western or otherwise.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#101291: Sep 19th 2015 at 12:04:04 PM

[up]His middle name is Hussein. Obama also sounds like Osama.

edited 19th Sep '15 12:04:27 PM by Kostya

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#101292: Sep 19th 2015 at 12:06:42 PM

Also his father was Muslim. Not a very good basis either way.

edited 19th Sep '15 12:07:06 PM by LSBK

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#101293: Sep 19th 2015 at 12:07:58 PM

Honestly sometimes I think "So what if he is Muslim?" is a better response than denying it. It really shouldn't matter whether or not he is. Going "No, no, he's not a Muslim you idiot" kind of gives the impression that's a bad thing. Mc Cain sort of did that during the 2008 election.

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#101294: Sep 19th 2015 at 12:20:39 PM

Obama does sound way too much like Osama, it's incredibly annoying because they're the two people you really don't want to confuse.

My dad, when he was in Afganistan, was approached by a soldier who mentioned that they shot at targets that were pictures of "Obama". Everyone had a freak out until they realized he meant Osama.

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#101295: Sep 19th 2015 at 12:27:36 PM

[up]The looks on their faces would've been priceless.

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#101296: Sep 19th 2015 at 12:51:41 PM

Video Related.

Basically the whole thing is symptomatic of the problem that a good chunk of American voters prefer to just believe the rhetoric being fired at them rather than actually looking at the evidence.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#101297: Sep 19th 2015 at 1:37:32 PM

Also, the sheer weight of know-nothing turns the rest of us off from politics entirely, as we're drowned in a flood of un-fact-checked information and see everyone around us chanting random slogans. Thus, the hipsters start wearing Cthulhu for President (why vote for the lesser of two evils?) T-shirts, leading to disillusionment and disengagement. Just as planned.

Worse, of course, is that it's much easier to offer an alternative to the status quo from the far right than the left. I have no idea why that is; is it because most voters still vaguely remember what the Far Left did the last time they got in power?

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#101298: Sep 19th 2015 at 1:39:00 PM

No it's because the far Right are the ones pushing the No-Nothing mindset.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#101299: Sep 19th 2015 at 1:42:47 PM

[up][up]When was the far left ever in power in the US?

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#101300: Sep 19th 2015 at 1:45:23 PM

I'd say the Europe-US comparison is pretty simple if you do it as maths. The US has a cultural idea that you shouldn't know what 2+2=, people take pride in having no idea what 2+2=. Europe is different, we shame people who don't get what 2+2=, we mock them and pay no attention to them, the problem is that we're convinced that 2+2=5.

edited 19th Sep '15 1:47:32 PM by Silasw

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