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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
True that
edited 18th Sep '15 11:16:55 AM by BAFFU
The Veterans' Administration healthcare system would like to discuss piles and piles of physical paperwork.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"So apparently the GOP doesn't like people calling Barry a Muslim any more
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I think that Trump is going to find that, no matter how popular he is with his voters, the media and political establishments won't let him laugh off his insulting approach to them.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Goes a bit further than that. One of Trump's supporters said Obama is a Muslim and not even an American. And went on to say that Muslims in general are a problem in America and Trump did nothing to correct him.
Now the establishment Republicans are finally catching wise to the idea of using his racist rhetoric against him.
edited 18th Sep '15 11:53:36 AM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?![]()
It makes a big difference... if you want to maintain decorum in the political arena and not encourage crackpots like that. Trump's failure to chastise his supporter, however, means that he doesn't care if those people support him. This, in turn, means that they will flock to his banner as the other candidates reject them.
In isolation, it doesn't look like much. In context, it's a clear statement that Trump welcomes those bigots.
edited 18th Sep '15 12:07:48 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"No, they're his entire base. He'll need them if he's gonna go anywhere because you bet your ass every member of congress and everyone else will be after his throat.
You must understand, Trump is not a Republican. He's an independent agent who's hijacked the Republican party and is being pushing into office by all the bigots we haven't cleaned up.
edited 18th Sep '15 12:13:04 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?![]()
We tried that idea with the Tea Party. When you give a bunch of extremists a voice, what they do is start electing politicians that support their views. Do this enough and their views become a litmus test for being electable, and the whole political establishment shifts towards them.
Hell, forget the Tea Party. Examine any other time in history when a seemingly fringe group took control of a nation because they were pandered to by a charismatic leader.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Not democracy, unless democracy is five or ten percent of a nation's population running it through the magic of Republicanism. I'm aware of the danger of Godwinning a debate, but that's exactly how such things come to pass.
Democracy as an institution is not sacred and above reproach. It requires systems of checks and balances and it requires the willingness to occasionally clean house of its worst influences. We would all be better off if the racist assholes who support Trump were completely cast out of the political process. We gain nothing except a Pyrrhic moral victory by letting them in.
edited 18th Sep '15 12:26:01 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Sure we do that, but what's to stop us from doing it to anyone else we disagree with?
I admit we'd be better off without them, but they're entitled to their opinion and a right to vote if they so choose-at least here in the States.
Democracy and Republicanism are flawed yes, but silencing the opposition just because their opinions are repugnant is a slippery slope.
edited 18th Sep '15 12:46:51 PM by Skycobra51
Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.And letting their opinions roam free risks casting that democracy into the pit and living under a tyranny. I know which I'll choose. The Founding Fathers that we worship like little gods knew full well that sometimes democracy must be cast into the crucible in order to reforge it.
Jupiter knows that if we just sit here passively, accepting the presence of hate groups in politics as something normal and expected, we'll be fighting a constant rearguard action to stop them from suborning it. I should remind you that those groups have no interest in democracy whatsoever.
Considering how willing we are to suborn other nations' democracies at the first sign that extremists might take over and threaten our American Way of Life, it's rather hypocritical of us to allow our own extremists to flourish under the umbrella of the very democracy we claim to stand for.
edited 18th Sep '15 1:01:03 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"To add to this, it's also going to drive away decent people for who don't like the idea of a president welcoming people who demonize Muslims, immigrants, Muslim immigrants, etc. into his fold.
Trump is the Tea Party candidate no matter what, it would cost him nothing to publicly condemn a bigot in front of the country since he still has 4/5 things they like going for him, which is more than anyone else. It would have been even better PR if he had. His campaign could have said, "Look! He stands up for discriminated minorities! You guys had him wrong this whole time!"
Instead he's just tightening his grip on the base while letting other potential supporters slip through his fingers.
Compare Bernie Sanders, who has gone out to speak to at least one conservative Christian college with the hopes of winning at least some of them over based on his position of social reform.
I think there are a couple of things we need to do. 1. Stop letting people use the "It's my opinion" card. You can think whatever you want but if your opinion doesn't conform to reality it's worthless and should be ignored. 2. Following off of 1 we need to ensure that schools teach people the truth. We're getting better at this but a lot of places still have a tendency to sugarcoat American history. 3. Make voting mandatory. I cannot stress enough how important this is.
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Nobody said arrest them. Just don't give them the time of day in politics. Ignore them. Marginalize them. Ridicule them. Stop making goddamn reality TV shows celebrating their way of life.
Oh, and make voting mandatory.
edited 18th Sep '15 1:07:45 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Sure, you can use speech to fight speech, but government force against extremists is unwise. After all, anyone can call anyone an extremist.
Leviticus 19:34

You guys should see our system
It is still paper only
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes