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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Fiorina, despite being... charismatic, I suppose the word would be... is very much from the "what's good for business is good for the country" mindset and would govern largely in Reagan's mold, with de strong voodoo, mon.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"After reading this whole "talking about going to war" thing, I have a question: How jingoistic is the US electorate compared to the politicians? I once heard that the mess in Iraq put a damper on the enthusiasm, but is there actually a large percentage of people in the US who are in favour of going to war with someone again? Or are the Republicans just tone-deaf?
We learn from history that we do not learn from historyMost americans don't want to go to war, but because they are raised on American Exceptionalism (tm), they think they have the right to or that their enemies hate them for their values and freedom rather than meddling.
In short, Americans do or don't go to war for the wrong reasons. And there is a contingent of the population that does want to so as to irradicate Daesh. Sadly, these same groups tend to ignore (and in the case of the more crazy, embrace) Assad. Those who would rather go to war with Assad tend to ignore Daesh. And this happens because the only way to fight both would be a massive invasion and occupation with a better end game than Iraq, which no one is prepared to do.
The united states has a deep investment on its Eagleland culture. How efficient it is will vary a lot. How significant it is compared to another country's will vary a lot. It is a difficult subject to measure because it is something so ingrained and so biased that it is hard to see it on a scientific basis.
Heck. I personally, as I have mentioned before, don't even thik the demonym "American" is correct to refer to all dem dam yanks but the word is so used that if it had any currency value the U.S would be able to pay its debt, china's, Russia's, Europe's, and Africa's, and still have enough for a trip to the petting zoo of the reanimated extinct species since forever.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesDrunken Nordmann: Once again, you have to understand that the electorate is deeply divided. The hardcore jingoists are a relatively minor portion of the population. Mainly they tend to be affluent, white, male, and possessed of the belief that America is the Greatest Nation on Earth (tm) and our Righteous Might will smash the Infidels, by which they mean non-Christians, with grudging allowances for Jews because they are political allies. They make common cause with the military-industrial complex, because as Job Creators (tm) we should fellate them at every opportunity, and the best way to do so is to make lots of tanks, planes, and bombs and send them Over There to destroy Our Enemies lest they come over here and destroy our American Way of Life (tm).
The majority of the Republican base doesn't give a fuck about Muslims except in as much as Fox News can rile them up with tales of jihadists in our schools and whatnot. They are much more concerned with driving all the Mexicans out of the country because they are Stealing Our Jerbs. Invading Iran is barely on their radar except when they tune into the latest Fox pundit's rant, then they promptly forget about it. It's no accident that Lindsey Graham is making no headway in the primaries despite being the biggest anti-Iran war hawk of the race.
Democrats, by and large, save for the remaining corporate shills, are strongly against war versus Iran.
edited 17th Sep '15 11:31:06 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I keep seeing a picture with the caption "All I needed to know about Islam I learned in a few minutes on 9/11" on Facebook every so often. It should tell you everything you need to know about these folks.
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."The thing about the debate is:
If you watch it as a democrat Fiorina won.
If you watch it as a republican Carson won.
don't ask me why. I channel my inner republican and come up with this nonsense.
We will see what the polls will tell. Sure, Fiorina might get to 6% if she is lucky. But Trump or Carson will be on top.
edited 17th Sep '15 11:39:02 AM by BAFFU
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That support isn't a monopoly. He and Cruz share it, and if Trump starts looking more and more like a dunce, Cruz will get that support. The only reason Cruz isn't right now is because he's a sitting senator and Trump is a celebrity. But that celeb status will only carry him so far.
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Not any republicans I've talked to. But then, you're intent on making everything about the hairdo, so why bother.
edited 17th Sep '15 11:56:42 AM by FFShinra
The thing is that I am not sure how many of the primary voters stand to be significantly influenced by these debates. Certainly none of Trump's die-hard fans are going to switch to Fiorina just because she successfully dissed him.
edited 17th Sep '15 12:06:49 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"That's a valid point. The hopes of the other candidates must rest in their ability to pick up the supporters of the ones who drop out.
edited 17th Sep '15 12:29:55 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Like I said, Trump's a steamroller and we need a unified defense against him, lest his supporters win him the Presidency because even though he got a minority of votes, the majority that didn't vote for him were too divided among other candidates to beat his fanbase.
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edited 17th Sep '15 10:29:00 AM by Skycobra51
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