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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#100801: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:16:42 PM

I've always been torn on the right to self-defence as applied to property. You absolutely have the right to protect yourself, but shooting a guy for trying to steal your DVD player? That seems like Disproportionate Retribution to say the least.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#100802: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:16:55 PM

Cobra, If I were to break into your house you're gonna be at work and probably wouldn't notice your jewelry missing for a week.

And if you're so determined to protect your property, which is fair enough, why not buy an alarm system? That'll make any crook scatter immediately.

Unless of course you're not actually interested in protecting your property and you just wanna experience the rush of playing cowboy and shooting a man.

edited 15th Sep '15 3:17:35 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#100803: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:18:25 PM

That mindset is exactly how things like the murder of Renisha McBride occur.

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#100804: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:20:36 PM

[up][up]'cept alarm systems aren't guaranteed to work on the ones who lack self-preservation or are just plain stupid.

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#100805: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:21:47 PM

You seem to have a very unrealistic view of the criminal mindset.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#100806: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:22:03 PM

Trust me, as a former petty thief, they work. If not then the police will be by in about 3 minutes at most and take them away no bloodshed required.

edited 15th Sep '15 3:22:20 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#100807: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:24:37 PM

Or neighbors will intervene.

A dog with a loud bark also works.

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#100808: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:25:51 PM

[up][up]You're assuming that I, a guy who has less than 100$ to his name by the time the rent and all the bills are paid off, is, gonna be able to afford a security system.

[up]That'd be more practical and cost effective than an alarm. Plus I have a fondness for German Shepherds.

edited 15th Sep '15 3:26:37 PM by Skycobra51

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#100809: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:26:34 PM

[up]You could use the money you would otherwise spend on the gun and ammunition.

Hell, you could just put a sign in your window saying you have a security system. That'll deter most intruders.

edited 15th Sep '15 3:26:58 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#100810: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:26:54 PM

You're also not gonna be able to afford a gun. Or a permit. Not legally at least.

Besides, unless you're up and awake and waiting your gun won't do shit. It's just another thing to steal. They're pretty valuable.

[up]A sign in the yard or the window is often more than enough.

edited 15th Sep '15 3:29:34 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#100811: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:27:51 PM

[up][up][up] To play devil's advocate-guns aren't exactly cheap either.

edited 15th Sep '15 3:28:11 PM by Protagonist506

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#100812: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:29:09 PM

As a consequence of only being effective when you're already in the house, a gun is a terrible security system - especially when you consider the fact that probably 99% of all home intruders are already deterred by the fact that you are physically present in the house.

The only thing the gun offers is the ability to kill some folks as they try to escape the premises after realizing the place is not empty.

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#100813: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:29:55 PM

Hell there are a variety of animals that work as guard systems, a dog is good, but so is something like a gander, those are evil buggers and also lay eggs. You do need a bit of garden for one though.

edited 15th Sep '15 3:30:39 PM by Silasw

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#100814: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:30:09 PM

[up][up]Yeah that, like I said. You're not concerned about your property, you just wanna kill a man legally.

edited 15th Sep '15 3:30:29 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#100815: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:30:26 PM

[up][up]Gold I hopetongue

[up]Yes, cause I just want to kill someone. Of course. Silly me. I'm so evil.

Just because I have the option, doesn't mean I will. The nuclear option is only to be used as a last resort.

edited 15th Sep '15 3:54:55 PM by Skycobra51

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
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#100816: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:32:43 PM

Around the rural area I live in, most break ins are drug related (meth addicts looking to get cash for more meth), and they usually target gun owners because around here they're easy to sell for under the table cash.

While they usually target empty houses, meth addicts being meth addicts, running into one offers you no guarantee that they'll run; there's been a lot of stabbings/beatings/shootings (the thieves themselves are often armed) that have happened when they get caught.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#100817: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:36:09 PM

Though, the way I see it: The gun is for self-defense while you kick the person out. You can't ethically just shoot a guy in the back. If you wake up (or your alarm goes off) and you grab your gun, you certainly need to give the thief a chance to drop your stuff and run off (or stay put while you call the police and have them arrested).

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#100818: Sep 15th 2015 at 4:13:00 PM

There's also a possibility that you won't be the one to grab your gun, or that you will but won't be able to hold onto it. A burglar that might otherwise have been inclined to run may be forced to defend himself when you pull the gun on him.

Generally speaking, avoiding escalation to violence is preferable. Introducing a deadly weapon into the picture is a guarantee of escalation.

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#100819: Sep 15th 2015 at 4:13:47 PM

What, you're not allowed to hogtie them and leave them out on the sidewalk?

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#100820: Sep 15th 2015 at 4:17:25 PM

Only if your first name is some sort of animal and your last name is "-man"

edited 15th Sep '15 4:17:37 PM by Parable

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#100821: Sep 15th 2015 at 4:29:31 PM

I believe that under the rules of citizen's arrest hogtieing a burglar until the cops turn up is perfectly legal.

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#100822: Sep 15th 2015 at 5:41:19 PM

Under the rules of Make My Day aka Castle Law, shooting a burglar in the face immediately after discovering him inside your home is perfectly legal.

In the United States, we have a law named after a Dirty Harry quote that legalizes murder of any unauthorized person on your property that you suspect intends to commit a crime, because gun culture is seriously insane, you guys.

edited 15th Sep '15 5:42:31 PM by TobiasDrake

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#100823: Sep 15th 2015 at 6:04:44 PM

Isn't that castle laws?

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#100824: Sep 15th 2015 at 6:42:21 PM

@Fighteer I agree with the inequality issue regarding gun violence and the clusterfuck brought by the war on drugs, but I see differently, eliminating the need for guns also eliminates the need to heavily restrict them, leaving them for people who like guns such as hunters, shooters and hobbyist.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100825: Sep 15th 2015 at 6:51:21 PM

If you lock your car, or have an alarm system, that just means the person who gets their car broken into is the person who didn't lock their car or have an alarm system.

When you carry a weapon, you may very well make yourself less of a target-but that just means that someone else will be targeted. This, of course, only applies to not person specific instances-eg, muggings and the like. It also assumes the fact that you're carrying a weapon is evident.


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