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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#100526: Sep 11th 2015 at 3:41:09 PM

I will note that while normally the mods aren't going to worry about rick rolls, here in OTC is probably about the worst place to do them (since they would be off-topic by default, on top of the other problems).

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#100527: Sep 11th 2015 at 3:49:18 PM

Actually Rick Rolls are prohibited by name in the site rules.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#100528: Sep 11th 2015 at 3:55:42 PM

I'm aware of that, but I'm also aware of a couple of more recent cases in threads some mods frequent, that were never touched. <shrugs> (And yes, I did point this out for those people.)

But this forum rules discussion is off-topic anyway.

edited 11th Sep '15 3:56:52 PM by TotemicHero

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#100529: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:08:23 PM

Topic please. Rick Perry is dropping out. Trump is still Trumping. Huckabee believes Dread Scott is still the law of the land. Pick a topic.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#100530: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:11:16 PM

Dread Scott is an apt typo, given what would happen if it were actually the law of the land...

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#100531: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:14:23 PM

[up][up] In order: Who cares, that's been done to death, and what the hell is Huckabee on?

edited 11th Sep '15 4:15:09 PM by Skycobra51

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#100532: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:14:53 PM

It's also apparently what happens when I type on a phone. Sorry. But I agree. Huckabee on the other hand seemed quite convinced when he was spouting off on radio about how blacks aren't legally people.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#100533: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:17:23 PM

So many clever responses, but I could get banned for saying them.

Huckabee actually thinks their kind aren't a real people?

edited 11th Sep '15 4:25:18 PM by Skycobra51

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#100534: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:19:26 PM

Nonsense, he thinks they're people.

Just 3/5ths of a person.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100535: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:23:48 PM

Huckabee was trying to point out that a lot of laws aren't followed but they're still technically on the books. What he neglected to mention is that they're usually not followed because another law or amendment overrules them.

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#100536: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:26:33 PM

[up][up] I thought it was 2/3 in some states.tongue

Riddle me this, who has a picture of a star, sniffs glue, and was never here.

edited 11th Sep '15 4:31:19 PM by Skycobra51

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#100538: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:31:43 PM

[up] You got to catch them first. Besides the tracking features are usually inaccurate, at least USPS is.

edited 11th Sep '15 4:32:56 PM by Skycobra51

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100539: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:33:48 PM

He's talking about people that come here with Visas.

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
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#100540: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:37:16 PM

[up]Aren't they already tracked?

Also here's some immigration humor courtesy of Robot Chicken:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IaAxUGBzROg

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100541: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:40:37 PM

How are they tracked? Even if they are it's probably not this invasive. Christie is proposing that we force them to check in whenever they arrive in a new location.

edited 11th Sep '15 4:41:08 PM by Kostya

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#100542: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:43:02 PM

I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#100543: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:44:06 PM

No it's not, they're immigrants. It's not like they're people.

I still don't think people understand just how racist the far right is.

Oh really when?
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#100544: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:46:10 PM

Probably because the more moderate ones try to keep them underfoot for all the good it does.

If they were smart, the Republican Party would drop them, or banish them to Antartica.

At least there its all white, and there's no immigrants to deal with.tongue

edited 11th Sep '15 4:49:58 PM by Skycobra51

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#100545: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:49:45 PM

Drop the bigoted far right?

They're the ones in charge you know. Look at Trump and his ethnic cleansing plan.

Oh really when?
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#100546: Sep 11th 2015 at 4:56:35 PM

Too true. It makes one wonder why if there are any moderates left (Probably not) why haven't they jumped ship?

The Republican Party is doing an apt job of recreating the Titanic.

edited 11th Sep '15 5:01:53 PM by Skycobra51

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#100547: Sep 11th 2015 at 5:02:09 PM

[up] Question is: Where would they go?

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#100548: Sep 11th 2015 at 5:02:53 PM

Did Huckabee actually favourably invoke the Dred Scott decision, or is that just a figure of speech? :I

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#100549: Sep 11th 2015 at 5:05:13 PM

One would hope it's the latter, but more than likely its not.

edited 11th Sep '15 5:05:47 PM by Skycobra51

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#100550: Sep 11th 2015 at 5:12:50 PM

Not really. I think the idea was something to the effect of the Supreme Court being bad/its recent gay marriage decision not meaning anything legally.

But he's obviously wrong. Looking it up, the "Slaughter House Cases" from 1873 overturned Dred Scott:

"[It]had been said by eminent judges that no man was a citizen of the United States, except as he was a citizen of one of the States composing the Union...But it had been held by this court, in the celebrated Dred Scott case..that a man of African descent, whether a slave or not, was not and could not be a citizen of a State or of the United States. This decision, while it met the condemnation of some of the ablest statesmen and constitutional lawyers of the country, had never been overruled; and if it was to be accepted as a constitutional limitation of the right of citizenship, then all the negro race who had recently been made freemen, were still, not only not citizens, but were incapable of becoming so by anything short of an amendment to the Constitution. To remove this difficulty primarily, and to establish a clear and comprehensive definition of citizenship which should declare what should constitute citizenship of the United States, and also citizenship of a State, the first clause of the first section [of the 14th Amendment] was framed...it overturns the Dred Scott decision by making all persons born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction citizens of the United States."

So yeah. Technically, the Supreme Court itself didn't overturn Dred Scott, but once the Reconstruction Amendments were passed, they did state outright that those Amendments overturned Dred Scott.

Basically, as the Court in the Slaughter House Cases noted, Dred Scott made it so that only a constitutional amendment could grant citizenship to/confirm the citizenship of African Americans, so voila, there was a constitutional amendment (actually three) after the Civil War.

Edit2- It's not really unusual come to think of it. There's been lots of times where Congress has passed laws in response to unpopular Supreme Court decisions and then from that point onward, the Supreme Court will tend to note something to the effect that those laws superseded the earlier decision.

edited 11th Sep '15 5:28:51 PM by Hodor2


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