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#100301: Sep 9th 2015 at 4:03:31 PM

That's about as cogent an argument as asking why we should have gun laws when criminals ignore them. You should know better, Shima.

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#100302: Sep 9th 2015 at 4:03:46 PM

Basic permission to operate denied unless you agree to basic regulations such as admitting the ID card as a valid document...?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#100303: Sep 9th 2015 at 4:08:37 PM

How? We can't even force them to pay their taxes or pay their employees or obey laws.

You can, you simply don't.

edited 9th Sep '15 4:09:08 PM by Silasw

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100304: Sep 9th 2015 at 4:13:18 PM

I'm sure slapping these businesses with a massive fine would force them into compliance. If that doesn't work you could always revoke their right to do business in the US.

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#100305: Sep 9th 2015 at 4:21:50 PM

[up]Option 2 would royally suck for those who work there though.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100306: Sep 9th 2015 at 4:27:53 PM

A lot of things could suck for workers. Fortunately businesses usually have enough of a self preservation instinct to avoid stuff that would shut them down.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#100307: Sep 9th 2015 at 4:29:38 PM

@Fighteer: Not when the agencies that would be in charge of prosecuting these companies are headed by "people who have experience in the industry."

"The government" is not one entity, but a tangle of interest groups - and the idea that the rule of law should apply to the wealthy is revolutionary - as in, it would require a massive purge of the entire existing structure of government to achieve. So I think your statement that "the government can do this" is only true in the most technical sense.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100308: Sep 9th 2015 at 4:33:37 PM

We could say the same thing about taxes or gay marriage. There are tons of people in all levels of the government that love to get in the way and cause trouble. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to work around them.

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#100309: Sep 9th 2015 at 4:39:09 PM

"Government sucks, so don't let it do anything?" Sorry, I don't share that defeatist argument.

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#100310: Sep 9th 2015 at 4:40:55 PM

It only sucks because there's a massive political and economic movement to make sure it does.

Then use that exact argument to push for privatization. Making sure that the pockets of certain groups are very well lined.

Oh really when?
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#100311: Sep 9th 2015 at 9:53:14 PM

There's a very good reason why America does not have a national ID, and will not for the forseeable future: for a substantial portion of the U.S. population, that would be interpreted as fulfilling the "Mark of the Beast" prediction from the Book of Revelation.

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#100312: Sep 9th 2015 at 9:54:52 PM

Your definition of good doesn't match mine. It's really only the rapture maniacs that obsess over the Mark of the Beast.

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#100313: Sep 9th 2015 at 10:07:58 PM

Well, a proposal for ID Cards was attempted here in the UK back in the days of New Labour. It failed, amid opposition from both the Left and Right.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#100314: Sep 9th 2015 at 10:35:01 PM

It's really only the rapture maniacs that obsess over the Mark of the Beast.

Exactly. Why poke the bear?

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#100315: Sep 9th 2015 at 10:40:36 PM

[up]Is it really worth trying to tiptoe around them though? These are the same folks that are rabidly pro-Zionist because it's somehow a fulfillment of prophecy towards the end times yadda yadda yadda. It sounds like National ID cards are bad because they lead to the apocalypse but Israel's right wing should be backed unconditionally because they will cause the apocalypse.

edited 9th Sep '15 10:44:31 PM by Artificius

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#100316: Sep 9th 2015 at 11:12:51 PM

[up]

The Israelis will be the "good guys" during the apocalypse, IIRC.

Leviticus 19:34
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#100317: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:36:22 AM

one does not (in a sane system) get ID issued specifically for the purpose of voting.
Guess we're insane, then. (sorry, there's no article in English)

It's even supposed to be used in conjunction with your regular ID. I think it's a requirement for proxy voting. That said, it's obtained for free, and at the town hall, of which every town has one.

edited 10th Sep '15 1:46:43 AM by Deadbeatloser22

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#100318: Sep 10th 2015 at 4:40:37 AM

Our country is also massively bigger than yours in both land andpeople. Access and resources are not as uniformly distributed much like how our states are allowed more freedom in individual laws.

You cannot compare the two in this regard.

No voter id for Americans. And be very careful of those that try to push it.

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#100319: Sep 10th 2015 at 5:10:20 AM

I honestly can't think of a good reason why the US govt shouldn't just issue everyone photo ID.

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#100320: Sep 10th 2015 at 5:12:32 AM

Because that would defeat the purpose of voter ID laws. And would let the federal government do something good.

These aren't well intentioned but misguided laws that people are making. They're very deliberate and a malicious movements to prevent people from voting, nothing else.

edited 10th Sep '15 5:13:57 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
BAFFU Since: Dec, 2012
#100321: Sep 10th 2015 at 5:35:50 AM

people who say "government sucks" are just an adult version of the too cool for school crowd.

I mean you guys probably don't even know what a truly dysfunctional government looks like.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#100323: Sep 10th 2015 at 5:59:12 AM

[up] x12 By that logic, social security numbers are the beast because everyone's automatically given one at birth. Driver's licenses are the beast because you can't drive without one. Bank cards are the beast because you can't open and use a bank account without one.

I'm of the opinion that any "beast mark" would not be a card, but a visible, physical deformity (i.e. a permanent scannable tattoo). And you better believe if they ever proposed such an Orwellian thing, there would be mass protests, not just from Christians.

edited 10th Sep '15 6:00:29 AM by speedyboris

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#100324: Sep 10th 2015 at 6:01:40 AM

There were mass protests and claims of "The Beast" when Social Security first started.

Oh really when?
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#100325: Sep 10th 2015 at 6:07:20 AM

Not everyone has a social. If you are born at home, in certain religious hospitals, or depending on your state laws, social security numbers are not automatically given. Just like not all have birth certificates.

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