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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Vandro, that's because that's not what voter ID laws are. Voter ID is requiring voters to have one of a very narrow and specific types of photo ID with them in order to vote. It is has nothing at all to do with registering voters.
edited 9th Sep '15 2:23:02 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickI operate on Pepsi and the desire for a long restful sleep which never seems to come.
'mericans however run on an insane principle of fear, apocalypse, and freedom for the sake of freedom. It is insane for you and me to understand how could they fear a universal ID, but...it is the most normal thing for them.
They cray cray
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesTo shut them down means that you need to provide alternative facilities to achieve all of those functions.
Such as by post, online, or at Post Offices? Then again, voter registration here is something largely administered by local Councils.
Keep Rolling On
Let's be clear about what we are discussing. Official government-issued ID is not directly related to registering to vote. It can be, and in a sane world would be, but is not necessarily.
"Voter ID" is a gotcha phrase. If one needs ID to vote, then said ID is, by definition, a voter ID, but one does not (in a sane system) get ID issued specifically for the purpose of voting.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"In a sane system:
- All individuals who reach a specified age (the least of the ages where they may vote, sign contracts, emancipate, hold a job, etc.) automatically and without charge receive a government-issued photo ID, valid for all identification purposes within their country of residence.
- The issuance of said ID automatically acts as registration to vote, or pre-registration if they are not of voting age.
- If their voting circumstances change, such as by moving, becoming ineligible through incapacity or felony, etc., those changes are recorded and are accessed by presenting their ID. No additional documents should be required.
- Lost, stolen, or damaged ID may be replaced via simple application process, without requiring lengthy waits at a service office.
edited 9th Sep '15 2:44:05 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Basically. Said ID should also function as a Driver's License if you've passed the test. Unfortunately mandatory I Ds make us fascists so that will never happen.
There are a few more problems with national ID
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- All individuals who reach a specified age (the least of the ages where they may vote, sign contracts, emancipate, hold a job, etc.) automatically and without charge receive a government-issued photo ID, valid for all identification purposes within their country of residence.
- The issuance of said ID automatically acts as registration to vote, or pre-registration if they are not of voting age.
- If their voting circumstances change, such as by moving, becoming ineligible through incapacity or felony, etc., those changes are recorded and are accessed by presenting their ID. No additional documents should be required.
I have all this.
All this criticisms reads to me as sane measures.
edited 9th Sep '15 3:02:24 PM by vandro
And they are ridiculous.
The fact one argument is "THE GUV' MINT WOULD WUNT MUH ID FER ME TA BUY A GUN" is enough to raise eyebrows. The bureaocratic and administrative nightmare the inter state crap causes is more than enough excuse to warrant a U.S-wise ID card, and that is without going into the benefits.
"COMPANIES COULD START MAKING IT A REQUIREMENT" is also ridiculous. It is something that states and even federal law could very easily tell the companies to not do. By law. The arguments are ridiculous
because they are things that nations with national ID cards do not suffer.
More money is lost due to NOT having an ID card than there is by having it. Imagine you are moving from oklahoma to washington. Now you need documents, time and paper from administrative duties to constant your works in the state so that the other state can move those to THEIR format. Now picture that if there was an easy corss referential number that allowed each state to have its own bloody format but something that allows them to share info.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesHow would it make it worse? These I Ds we're talking about would have photos on them.
I am not sure if you are stating an argument for/against a national identity document, so if I seem argumentative it is just to expose my point, not to be confrontative. I am sorry if I seem such.
But. Look in your pocket. If there is a debit or credit card in there, there is a single thing that links your entire bank account to you.
Why is this different from a national ID?
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesBecuz da gubmint's evul an' wants to take mah guns an' gib mah jerb an' wife to ILLEGAL MEXICANS.
Though, there are some more reasonable reasons than hating government, such as the fact that a single security breach for a unified national ID could compromise more people's ID than any bank having the same happen would.
But a lot of it seems to be of the "Universal ID is a step to [taking our guns/implementing a cyberpunk dystopia/selling Americans to the Chinese to pay America's debts/part of the Reptilian Illuminati Mole-Men's plot to run the entire world from the shadows]"
edited 9th Sep '15 3:39:02 PM by Balmung
A national ID would not increase the basic risk of identity theft occurring. In fact, it would reduce it, as multi-factor authentication would become orders of magnitude simpler to manage with only one ID document instead of dozens.
It would increase the potential data exposure, as more of your personal information would be attached to it. It would make detection simpler, as any attempt to hijack it would become immediately visible the next time you used it, which would be very soon. Remediation would be easier as you wouldn't have to contact a billion companies or sort through piles of call-in numbers.
The scope of a breach would be potentially higher, but governments can direct far more investment that any individual company into security and its agents have no conflict of interest when it comes to bottom line and profit management. Plus, breaches in private companies are so difficult to contain largely because the scope is so variable. With a national database, it's either everyone or nobody, and if everyone is compromised, you axiomatically know which data to trust and which not to trust.
edited 9th Sep '15 3:59:39 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
It's not tinfoil hat when similar breaches happen to credit card companies at least once a year.
You'd still have to do remediation through a billion numbers because none of those companies is going to cede power to the feds. It's just going to make it a billion and one numbers you need to call.
When dealing with an identity theft situation, right now the government gives 0 fucks and will do nothing to help you. How will REAL ID change that?
edited 9th Sep '15 4:00:11 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

But that would mean all those darkies would be able to vote and we can't have that now can we?
Oh really when?