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#100151: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:52:14 AM

There seems to be a wild variance here on what the "populist opinion" is

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#100152: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:55:36 AM

Sure, you have Republican populism and Democratic populism. They are extremely different, but both share a resentment of their values being co-opted by the wealthy class.

[down] Also true. Populism is not inherently "good" or "right", it literally refers to what is popular.

edited 8th Sep '15 12:14:45 PM by Fighteer

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#100153: Sep 8th 2015 at 12:13:03 PM

[up][up] Populist is nothing but giving the public what it wants, regardless of common sense.

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#100154: Sep 8th 2015 at 12:19:53 PM

Something to bear in mind is that the 'white working class' is not the same thing as 'the white working class who vote' and is definitely not the same thing as 'employed whites without a college degree'. Those spheres' interests are different, and the whole 'white working class voters are bigots and so vote Republican' meme is extremely dependent on how you define 'white working class'.

Aside from the South, the political loyalties of the WWC have not significantly changed. Even in the South, the WWC's opinions haven't really changed that much, just the parties that conform to them.

[T]he defection of the white South from the Democratic Party plays a central role in driving the overarching story of white working class politics. As Bartels succinctly summarizes: “Democratic presidential vote share has declined by almost 20 percentage points among Southern whites without college degrees. Among non-southern whites without college degrees, it has declined by one percentage point. That’s it. Fourteen elections, 52 years, one percentage point.” The same basic relationship holds across all income groups of non-college-educated whites: a 20-point-gap between the South and the rest of the country. This is Richard Nixon’s Southern Strategy come to life, not a widespread national defection of white working class voters from the Democratic Party. Case in point: in 2008, Obama won 54 percent of whites with incomes under $50,000 outside of the South, while he secured just 35 percent of this group in the South.

Sauce.

'Southern-ness', rather than economic views, seems to be the primary determinant of whether or not a poor white will vote Republican. Of course, most of them don't vote at all, like their poor minority co-nationals.

edited 8th Sep '15 12:23:09 PM by Achaemenid

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#100155: Sep 8th 2015 at 12:20:30 PM

[up][up]Its also a tool to be used to drum up support for your canidacy

[down]But I like both kittens and porn. Tough choice.tongue

edited 8th Sep '15 12:26:16 PM by Skycobra51

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#100156: Sep 8th 2015 at 12:23:26 PM

P much just wanted to point out how "populist" for many arguments were wielded left and right to the point they seem to carry little meaning.

Instead of getting semantic however, let me make a stupid joke so you forget I ever tried to say anything worthwile.

So a populist opinion could be held by a pro-porn and pro-kitten political party, for example.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#100157: Sep 8th 2015 at 12:25:46 PM

[up][up][up] We aren't talking about those demographics in general. We're talking about Trump supporters and the general make-up there of. While your point is something to note, it's also rather off the topic.

edited 8th Sep '15 12:26:17 PM by shimaspawn

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#100158: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:05:12 PM

[up]

Well, the WWC are some of the people who will always respond to economic populism. They're also a fairly untapped political demographic outside the former Confederacy. So in the sense that they are a demographic that Trump will aim for, that's relevant.

edited 8th Sep '15 1:05:24 PM by Achaemenid

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#100159: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:08:04 PM

[up] And indeed, internationally, the White Working Class are the demographic they're all after.

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#100160: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:11:47 PM

The conservative-leaning members of the WWC are disillusioned with "establishment" Republicans because they've consistently sold out their values to pander to the wealthy, which is why Trump is so beloved by them.

Conversely, going after the WWC on the Democrats' side is why Black Lives Matter targeted Clinton and Sanders rallies.

edited 8th Sep '15 1:12:22 PM by Fighteer

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#100161: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:12:53 PM

Yep. Unfortunately their values are generally dressed up genocide.

Shame really, why can't us poor people properly unite for once?

Oh really when?
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#100162: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:14:26 PM

Because as soon as you do you're branded communists.

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#100163: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:14:54 PM

Let's be clear what demographic we are talking about. As we read earlier, the white working class is about evenly split between Democrats and Republicans. Southern whites are the ones who lean overwhelmingly Republican because of racism, unsurprisingly because they were the beneficiaries of slave ownership.

Christianity has little to do with it inherently, since before the sixties, Christians tended to vote Democrat because of the feeling that the wealthy were immorally exploiting the poor. This changed, of course, when a lot of wealthy folks put on pious airs and started sponsoring big ticket preachers who waxed Calvinist.

edited 8th Sep '15 1:17:02 PM by Fighteer

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#100164: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:16:20 PM

[up][up]Oh how I wish socialism wasn't a four letter word.

Damn you McCarthy.

Oh really when?
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#100165: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:20:24 PM

[up]Its about 9 letters isn't it?

[up][up]Never really cared for big ticket preachers, they're only in it for the money.

Though the people Sanders and Trump should really target, are the ones who might prefer to stay home rather then vote.

If properly motivated, elections would turn out way differently.

In theory at least.

edited 8th Sep '15 1:45:18 PM by Skycobra51

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#100166: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:46:37 PM

If minorities and poor people all voted, and voted according to the demographic tendencies for those blocs, no Republican would win a national election ever again, except in the most gerrymandered House districts. This is why they are so desperate to enact strict laws to combat "voting fraud" and keep being black marijuana use a felony.

edited 8th Sep '15 1:52:33 PM by Fighteer

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#100167: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:53:15 PM

[up]Personally I don't think having to show your ID or Drivers license to prove who you say you are is racist(since everyone has one)

Besides you wouldn't want me to use your name to vote Republican would you?tongue

Literacy tests and the like on the other hand should be illegal.

edited 8th Sep '15 1:59:19 PM by Skycobra51

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#100168: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:54:39 PM

You'd think so but no, it's actually pretty hard to get valid forms of ID when you're that impoverished.

Oh really when?
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#100169: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:56:03 PM

[up][up] The problem is that not everyone has one and the poor and minorities are less likely to be able to have, or even afford a valid up to date one. Remember that ID isn't free. It can take all day to get and can cost anywhere from 20-60 dollars. That's time off work and money that a lot of the working poor don't have.

Also, voter fraud is so rare that it might as well by a myth. Getting struck by lightening is a bigger risk.

edited 8th Sep '15 1:59:24 PM by shimaspawn

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#100170: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:04:33 PM

In-person voter fraud is nonexistent. Other forms, less so, but voter ID requirements wouldn't help those. The primary purpose is to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. Nakedly so; Republicans have come out and said it directly.

edited 8th Sep '15 2:11:50 PM by Fighteer

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#100171: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:15:52 PM

[up]Interesting. Then again I don't really follow the Republicans that much. They're boring to be honest.

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#100172: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:17:17 PM

They're dangerous and need to be monitored.

Politics isn't a form of entertainment. It's about as serious as serious gets.

For minorities and us poor people at least.

edited 8th Sep '15 2:17:54 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
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#100173: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:21:47 PM

[up]It is in my family, which is very Republican.

Just mention you agree with the Democrats(which I do on most issues, I'm the only one who doesactually) and watch the sparks fly.

Dinner and a show.

edited 8th Sep '15 2:23:48 PM by Skycobra51

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#100174: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:25:00 PM

It is an amazing privilege to be able to sit and laugh at politics or think these sorts of behaviors are funny.

I live in a place where crosses do burn openly and where Republicans are personally responsible for a lot of poverty and suffering. Including my own.

I can't afford to not take it seriously.

edited 8th Sep '15 2:25:20 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
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#100175: Sep 8th 2015 at 2:26:21 PM

Not as amazing as you think when you end up eating alone at family functions. Its not so much my parents as it is the rest of the family.

Anyhow, I'm getting a bit off topic.

[up]Where do you live anyway? Pretty sure cross burning is kinda illegal.

edited 8th Sep '15 2:33:50 PM by Skycobra51

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