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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Sure, you have Republican populism and Democratic populism. They are extremely different, but both share a resentment of their values being co-opted by the wealthy class.
Also true. Populism is not inherently "good" or "right", it literally refers to what is popular.
edited 8th Sep '15 12:14:45 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Something to bear in mind is that the 'white working class' is not the same thing as 'the white working class who vote' and is definitely not the same thing as 'employed whites without a college degree'. Those spheres' interests are different, and the whole 'white working class voters are bigots and so vote Republican' meme is extremely dependent on how you define 'white working class'.
Aside from the South, the political loyalties of the WWC have not significantly changed. Even in the South, the WWC's opinions haven't really changed that much, just the parties that conform to them.
'Southern-ness', rather than economic views, seems to be the primary determinant of whether or not a poor white will vote Republican. Of course, most of them don't vote at all, like their poor minority co-nationals.
edited 8th Sep '15 12:23:09 PM by Achaemenid
Schild und Schwert der ParteiP much just wanted to point out how "populist" for many arguments were wielded left and right to the point they seem to carry little meaning.
Instead of getting semantic however, let me make a stupid joke so you forget I ever tried to say anything worthwile.
So a populist opinion could be held by a pro-porn and pro-kitten political party, for example.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes![]()
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We aren't talking about those demographics in general. We're talking about Trump supporters and the general make-up there of. While your point is something to note, it's also rather off the topic.
edited 8th Sep '15 12:26:17 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Well, the WWC are some of the people who will always respond to economic populism. They're also a fairly untapped political demographic outside the former Confederacy. So in the sense that they are a demographic that Trump will aim for, that's relevant.
edited 8th Sep '15 1:05:24 PM by Achaemenid
Schild und Schwert der ParteiThe conservative-leaning members of the WWC are disillusioned with "establishment" Republicans because they've consistently sold out their values to pander to the wealthy, which is why Trump is so beloved by them.
Conversely, going after the WWC on the Democrats' side is why Black Lives Matter targeted Clinton and Sanders rallies.
edited 8th Sep '15 1:12:22 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Let's be clear what demographic we are talking about. As we read earlier, the white working class is about evenly split between Democrats and Republicans. Southern whites are the ones who lean overwhelmingly Republican because of racism, unsurprisingly because they were the beneficiaries of slave ownership.
Christianity has little to do with it inherently, since before the sixties, Christians tended to vote Democrat because of the feeling that the wealthy were immorally exploiting the poor. This changed, of course, when a lot of wealthy folks put on pious airs and started sponsoring big ticket preachers who waxed Calvinist.
edited 8th Sep '15 1:17:02 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Its about 9 letters isn't it?
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Never really cared for big ticket preachers, they're only in it for the money.
Though the people Sanders and Trump should really target, are the ones who might prefer to stay home rather then vote.
If properly motivated, elections would turn out way differently.
In theory at least.
edited 8th Sep '15 1:45:18 PM by Skycobra51
Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.If minorities and poor people all voted, and voted according to the demographic tendencies for those blocs, no Republican would win a national election ever again, except in the most gerrymandered House districts. This is why they are so desperate to enact strict laws to combat "voting fraud" and keep being black marijuana use a felony.
edited 8th Sep '15 1:52:33 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Personally I don't think having to show your ID or Drivers license to prove who you say you are is racist(since everyone has one)
Besides you wouldn't want me to use your name to vote Republican would you?
Literacy tests and the like on the other hand should be illegal.
edited 8th Sep '15 1:59:19 PM by Skycobra51
Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.![]()
The problem is that not everyone has one and the poor and minorities are less likely to be able to have, or even afford a valid up to date one. Remember that ID isn't free. It can take all day to get and can cost anywhere from 20-60 dollars. That's time off work and money that a lot of the working poor don't have.
Also, voter fraud is so rare that it might as well by a myth. Getting struck by lightening is a bigger risk.
edited 8th Sep '15 1:59:24 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickIn-person voter fraud is nonexistent. Other forms, less so, but voter ID requirements wouldn't help those. The primary purpose is to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. Nakedly so; Republicans have come out and said it directly.
edited 8th Sep '15 2:11:50 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"It is an amazing privilege to be able to sit and laugh at politics or think these sorts of behaviors are funny.
I live in a place where crosses do burn openly and where Republicans are personally responsible for a lot of poverty and suffering. Including my own.
I can't afford to not take it seriously.
edited 8th Sep '15 2:25:20 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?Not as amazing as you think when you end up eating alone at family functions. Its not so much my parents as it is the rest of the family.
Anyhow, I'm getting a bit off topic.
Where do you live anyway? Pretty sure cross burning is kinda illegal.
edited 8th Sep '15 2:33:50 PM by Skycobra51
Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.

There seems to be a wild variance here on what the "populist opinion" is
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes