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#100126: Sep 8th 2015 at 8:47:47 AM

I am now wondering if minors masturbating count as child abuse.

"The functionality of the sexual organs does not justify putting them into service." as a german official once said.

I'll let Nordman explain the details (as I'm on spotty wifi) if you doubt me tongue

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#100127: Sep 8th 2015 at 8:48:59 AM

Garcon: Yes but you're talking about rape not statutory rape. Statutory rape is not the same thing.

As for a 14 year old dating an 18 year old I agree it's a bit of a gap but I'm not going to support breaking it up unless it's an abusive relationship.

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#100128: Sep 8th 2015 at 8:50:32 AM

All I'm saying is that is pretty fucking suspect when an 18 year old dates a 14 year old or a twenty something dates a high schooler.

I'm not saying go jail them on principle, I'm just saying to keep an eye on them. Most of the time those are predatory relationships. Even if one side doesn't know it.

Oh really when?
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#100129: Sep 8th 2015 at 8:50:40 AM

Children younger than puberty can become sexually aroused. Do we shame them for it or teach them that it's a natural function of their bodies? Anyway, I have to emphasize the off-topic nature of this discussion.

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#100130: Sep 8th 2015 at 8:52:14 AM


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BAFFU Since: Dec, 2012
#100131: Sep 8th 2015 at 8:52:47 AM

Let's go back to what truly matters.

The D. *Donald Trump.

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#100132: Sep 8th 2015 at 9:05:19 AM

Everyone saw Krugman's latest look at The D, right?

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#100133: Sep 8th 2015 at 9:11:16 AM

Yes. The D has economic views that are quite far left of anything that any other candidates are espousing, which points out something rather interesting in American politics: Republican candidates are and remain grossly out of touch with the core values of their voters.

Their economic views mainly reflect those of their big sponsors like the Kochs and Sheldon Adelson. The people on the ground care much more about immigration and race than they do about deficits and tax rates on the rich.

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#100134: Sep 8th 2015 at 9:14:36 AM

The poor people that like Trump, and they are poor people, are totally fine with government safety nets and federal hand outs. Provided they go to the "right people".

No points for guessing who those right people are.

Oh really when?
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#100135: Sep 8th 2015 at 9:15:13 AM

Wait, trump supports universal healthcare and higher taxes on the rich? What?

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#100136: Sep 8th 2015 at 9:16:03 AM

Is this where we start making jokes about the Will of D?

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#100137: Sep 8th 2015 at 9:17:04 AM

Again, it's not surprising. Trump is a big icon of the poor far Right.

And those people are totally fine with higher taxes on the rich and handouts and everything.

What they are not fine with is anyone with darker skin existing.

Oh really when?
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#100138: Sep 8th 2015 at 9:20:01 AM

What's important is that Trump, by expressly disavowing the usual pageant for the approval of rich sponsors, is free to focus his campaign rhetoric on what the Republican voter base actually wants to hear. This gives him incredible power in the marketplace of ideas. In an ironic way, his closest analogue on the left is Bernie Sanders.

The average Republican voter is fine with Social Security and Medicaid and food stamps and whatnot. It's the wealthy who resent these things, because they don't directly benefit. What the voters hate is Social Security, Medicaid, food stamps, etc. going to those people, because they view public benefits, incorrectly, as a zero-sum game that they lose if anyone else gets a share.

This isn't fundamentally racial politics; it's crab-bucket politics. I suppose it's good news for those voters, in a sense: "Hey, guess what? You aren't racists first; you're selfish, ignorant jerks first and racists second."

Sure, there are a few minarchist-libertarian die-hards out there, but they don't represent a statistically significant voice even in primaries.

edited 8th Sep '15 9:32:18 AM by Fighteer

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Mopman43 Since: Nov, 2013
#100139: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:08:55 AM

So, Trump taps into the Southern Democrats who haven't had a voice in politics since the 80s, at least.

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#100140: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:12:28 AM

Fundamentally, yes. Krugman calls them the "hard-hat" crowd — unionized blue-collar whites who support redistribution of wealth towards social programs but deeply resent minorities for stealing their jerbs.

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#100141: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:14:48 AM

[up][up]I wasn't aware that they still exsisted. I figured they'd have all jumped ship by now.

Huh, the more you know.

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#100142: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:16:18 AM

They did jump ship over to the Republicans. And now Trump is using that demographic to tear the party in half.

Oh really when?
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#100144: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:17:18 AM

[up]I bet one dollar unless that was a rhetorical question.

edited 8th Sep '15 11:22:16 AM by Skycobra51

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#100145: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:19:07 AM

[up][up][up][up]They jumped ship back in the sixties, but found themselves embroiled in a party that catered to the interests of the wealthy rather than the poor white man. Republican politics for the past fifty years have been deeply destructive towards the middle and lower classes, be they black or white or brown or whatever. Their leaders have masked this in the trappings of evangelical Christianity and dog-whistle racism, but it's been coming out more and more since Obama's election, with round after round of "ultra-conservative" politicians sent to Washington who fail to accomplish the goals of the base.

In Trump, they finally see someone who's willing to call things like they believe they are, without the veneer of diplomatic speech and political correctness.

edited 8th Sep '15 11:19:33 AM by Fighteer

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#100146: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:21:54 AM

Basically the rich sociopaths that we're familiar with have been stringing them along for votes but now Trump is here with genuine ethnic cleansing effort and they adore him.

Oh really when?
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#100147: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:41:32 AM

The tragic part is that we might be able to reach out to those voters on economic principles if they weren't so obsessed with ethnic warfare. After all, we got the New Deal with their support, when it looked like the wealthy were going to take their ball and run with it for good.

edited 8th Sep '15 11:42:40 AM by Fighteer

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#100148: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:43:52 AM

I'm really starting to wonder if Trump's actual strategy(assuming he has one.) is to secure votes just by telling people what they want to here.

If so, its simplicity is brilliant. Though he wouldn't be the first to use it.

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#100149: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:49:24 AM

It's also extremely ironic, since it has long been held that a Democrat would be the one to abandon the pandering to wealthy interests in order to make a populist run for the White House, and Bernie Sanders looked like he might be the one to pull it off. To have a Republican beat him at the game must be incredibly galling.

Not that Trump stands a chance in the general election, mind you, but it's going to be closer than a race with Bush or Walker or Rubio would have been.

edited 8th Sep '15 11:50:26 AM by Fighteer

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#100150: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:52:06 AM

Although stranger things have happened.

But if it did come down to Sanders or Trump, it could go either way.

It seems as if voters want something diffrent, and that these two might just be it.

edited 8th Sep '15 11:54:03 AM by Skycobra51

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