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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100026: Sep 6th 2015 at 2:57:02 PM

I'm not denying that and while it's an unbelievably horrible course of action it's still not the same thing as killing all of them.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#100027: Sep 6th 2015 at 2:59:30 PM

[up][up] The original plan announced was deportation, which is what I was talking about.

But really you never know, if no one would accept them they would be just an additional tax on the economy in addition to the trillions of dollars that would have already been spent on collecting and building the concentration camps, yeah.

edited 6th Sep '15 3:01:05 PM by Memers

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100028: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:01:32 PM

That's another problem with his plan. Even ignoring the fact that immigrants pay tons in taxes we'd have to worry about sending them all back. That shit isn't cheap when you're talking about millions of people.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#100029: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:04:50 PM

Cost is no objective when it comes to ethnic purity.

Oh really when?
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#100030: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:05:34 PM

Trump signed the loyalty pledge, promising he wouldn't run as an independent if he lost the nomination.

And then promptly declared he was in favor of the Iran deal and was not against gay marriage.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#100031: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:07:12 PM

In the eyes of trump and followers those people are more than worthless, being outright thieves taking jobs no one wants to do, they would be even more so when they are not working and basically thrown in prison so jumping to 'the lets save money and kill em all' is not a big leap.

Anyway it's scary to even think about government sanctioned ethnic cleansing in the US but if he is elected that is exactly what will come to pass.

edited 6th Sep '15 3:09:13 PM by Memers

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100032: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:10:10 PM

[up][up]Dammit Trump, stop acting sane.

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#100033: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:21:20 PM

I kind of wonder if he and Sanders are going to be cores around which American politics realign. Maybe not two new parties per se, but the extant ones would certainly have to shift to accommodate them and the populism they've stirred up.

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100034: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:23:52 PM

Trump doesn't really represent a new brand of conservative thought. He just refuses to use a filter.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#100035: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:24:01 PM

The base of his platform is get rid of Hispanics by any means necessary. That's a core value he's preaching. He wants to round them up and get them out of the country.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#100036: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:27:11 PM

[up][up] Considering his stances on gay marriage and Iran he seems to actually be a weird mix, incredibly racist but with a more Democrat outlook on social and foreign policy issues, with an economic policy that can be summed up as "economic policy? What you talking about? I'm Donald Fucking Trump!"

edited 6th Sep '15 3:27:30 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#100037: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:29:23 PM

[up][up]And that really can't be said enough. He'd probably downplay that nonsense after he got the nomination, but his more rabid supporters would push him along if the stars aligned and his inauguration commenced on the day of the first unexpected solar eclipse in modern history.

edited 6th Sep '15 3:29:37 PM by Artificius

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#100038: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:32:30 PM

Yeah people really need to press him on economic policy seeing how he has driven so many companies into the ground then abandoning them and seeing how much actually rounding up and deporting people is going to COST and how much damage the loss of workers is going to hurt the economy.

Seriously at this point American agriculture will take an even bigger hit than the California drought, which in turn will trickle down into the meats and milk and so on. It would crash the economy. And these areas are primarily republican dominated.

edited 6th Sep '15 3:33:39 PM by Memers

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100039: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:33:19 PM

[up][up][up]I'm having a hard time believing that those are his actual positions. I don't recall him ever being that liberal on those issues. At best he's just supporting them out of convenience.

edited 6th Sep '15 3:33:33 PM by Kostya

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#100040: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:35:32 PM

I think supporting a position out of convenience could sum up most of his campaign. Consistency has never been an issue for Trump.

edited 6th Sep '15 3:36:41 PM by Parable

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#100041: Sep 6th 2015 at 3:37:41 PM

There are certain things that I think he genuinely believes. My issue is more that those liberal views don't mesh with his typical persona.

BAFFU Since: Dec, 2012
#100042: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:57:58 PM

I'de been saying it all along...Trump makes more sense than actual establishment republicans.

Because establishment republicans cater to the super wealthy

Trump caters to himself.

Also Bernie Sanders is overtaking Hillary in the polls.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:58:12 PM by BAFFU

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#100043: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:59:49 PM

How is he making more sense?

The dude is an open advocate for ethnic cleansing.

Oh really when?
BAFFU Since: Dec, 2012
#100044: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:07:44 PM

[up]

just like 80% of republicans.

Thing is, I dont think he means it.

He loves illegal immigrants. Non union labour.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#100045: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:16:51 PM

Clinton at Republican attacks: "I am absolutely confident that whatever they throw at me, I can throw it right back."

Clinton pledged to raise incomes, expand early childhood education and defend the Affordable Care Act. She also called for immigration reform and questioned the immigration proposals from Trump.

"I'm going to be pressing very hard to get specifics, because there aren't any specifics," Clinton said. "This is just the kind of political rhetoric that doesn't belong in our election."

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#100046: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:18:38 PM

The "all politicians are bad" thing annoys the hell out of me. No politician is perfect, but they're not all bad, either. Declaring politics to be corrupt by definition is just a way of trying to justify not giving a shit.

If you don't give a shit about politics, fine. It's not the smartest opinion to hold given how much politics affects basically everything else, but no one's forcing you to care if you don't want to. Just don't pretend that you don't care because you've realized the Hidden Truth that a person becomes a lying corrupt scumbag by being elected into office and attained political nirvana by distancing yourself from such mundane worldly concerns like "who should I vote for".

It's not that I don't care. My stance is rather: "Keep a healthy distrust and you'll get disappointed less often".

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#100047: Sep 6th 2015 at 11:08:04 PM

Oh, sure, I didn't mean you specifically with that comment. It's just that people tend to use "meh, all politicians are assholes" to shut down any political discussion they're not interested in. Even if you don't like politicians in general (and it does admittedly take a certain kind of person to be successful in politics at the national level), it's almost always worth voting against someone even if you don't want to vote for anyone. I'm not particularly excited about Hillary Clinton, for example, but if she gets the Democratic nomination, I'll almost certainly end up voting for her just to keep whatever nutjob ends up winning the Republican nomination from winning the general election.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#100048: Sep 6th 2015 at 11:23:18 PM

Also, I don't think that "all politicians are assholes" is factually true. A number of behaviours have good explanations or fall simply under "disagreement of opinion".

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#100049: Sep 6th 2015 at 11:44:34 PM

Actually, the statement that all politicians are evil is pretty easily disprovable, as many famous "good guys" were politicians. I mean, all the founding fathers were by definition political leaders.

Leviticus 19:34
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#100050: Sep 6th 2015 at 11:55:09 PM

Though, as for the answer to the question: Politicians are regular people, except they have political powers and responsibilities. They are not particularly worse than you, though they have more media scrutiny on their actions and they have more power and "power corrupts". It happens to everyone.

I'm not sure how realistic the game Democracy III is, but if it's accurate at all, it's a pretty good simulation of The Chains of Commanding and why a person in such a position might become something of an opportunist even when they're well-intention-ed.

Leviticus 19:34

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