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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#99951: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:24:37 PM

It is unfair for the kids to suffer due to their parents stupidity.

Besides if those morons were so sure that vaccines cause autism, why the fuck aren't them autistic either?

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#99952: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:26:25 PM

[up][up][up]Since you're an eye in a stone tower, what happens if you get an eyelash in your eye?

edited 4th Sep '15 7:31:02 PM by Skycobra51

Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#99953: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:26:36 PM

[up][up]...

You know that's a good point. If vaccines cause autism shouldn't a lot more of these anti-vaxxers have autism?

edited 4th Sep '15 7:26:55 PM by Kostya

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#99954: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:29:22 PM

They probably already do and they just don't know it.

It'd explain so much.tongue

Besides I thought genetics and birth complications were mostly responsible for Autism.

edited 4th Sep '15 7:30:24 PM by Skycobra51

Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#99955: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:32:10 PM

They are. Vaccines don't do a goddamn thing to cause autism. The issue is that they refuse to believe this.

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#99956: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:34:00 PM

Ok. Good to know I managed to remember something from biology.

Therein lies the problem I think, they have serious HIC (Head in Cement) syndrome.

edited 4th Sep '15 7:43:34 PM by Skycobra51

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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#99957: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:35:29 PM

I think cigarettes cause cancer, but I don't expect every toke to cause a tumor.

You're an eye in a stone tower, how can you [nja]? It makes no sense!
In ancient times, I gave a ring to a great king of ninjas. He does good work.

Since you're an eye in a stone tower, what happens if you get an eyelash in your eye?
I don't have eyelashes. Only way one's getting in my peeper is if someone climbs the tower to chuck it at me.

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#99958: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:43:11 PM

[up]x4 They may be on the spectrum. I think they're generally just carrying a bunch of the gene variants which have been implicated and can be expressed when paired with some of the other variants through their spouse or sperm donor. Or something.

edited 4th Sep '15 7:44:10 PM by Artificius

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#99959: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:45:06 PM

[up][up] What if you lose your contact lens ala Robot Chicken?

[up]In plain english please? Buffy speak isn't really my thing.

edited 4th Sep '15 7:52:19 PM by Skycobra51

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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#99960: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:48:43 PM

That's what my brutish but obedient servant race is for, of course.

I don't know why more people don't invest in those.

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#99961: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:57:07 PM

[up][up]So genes can have many different variations called Single-Nucleotide Polymorphisms or SN Ps running in the gene pool. You might have like two of them for any one gene through your parents, but there could be many more at large among the other humans. Autism is also apparently, definitely not caused by just one gene, with dozens if not hundreds implicated. So maybe one parent has many of those implicated SN Ps, but enough (and the right ones) that offset this and create a more neurotypical individual during development. Say this guy or gal pairs with a partner who they like because they remind them of themselves in some indefinite way? Might be they just selected someone who has a bunch of those SN Ps themselves, and any children they have will have a higher chance to be autistic than either parent did, not taking into account how any of the implicated genes interact (since science apparently hasn't figured that out yet). But I don't want to get off topic.

...Basically, we're all rolling the genetic dice in a tabletop game we don't understand yet, some sets are weighted, and thimerosol isn't the one thing you can avoid as a parent to protect your kids from rolling a lawful-good paladin. They're already rolled.

edited 4th Sep '15 10:26:41 PM by Artificius

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#99962: Sep 4th 2015 at 11:54:51 PM

Is there any precedent for parents having to protect their children from diseases, though?

Parents are required to provide their children with food and shelter, but is there anything that says, if a child gets sick, they have to be taken to a doctor?

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#99963: Sep 5th 2015 at 12:07:07 AM

Yes. Refusing to properly care for your child is neglect, which is a criminal offense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_neglect

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#99964: Sep 5th 2015 at 2:40:49 AM

Since vaccines fall more under prevention rather than medicine... hmm...

Right now, my position is just to let them be if they don't want to vaccinate their kids. It's like parents who let their kids become obese.

But yeah... I kinda want them to sign waivers that tax payers don't have to shoulder the hospital bill if their kids get easily prevented by vaccines diseases.

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A procrastination in of itself
#99965: Sep 5th 2015 at 3:08:00 AM

Also remember that it doesn't just put their kid at risk, it puts t risk anyone who for whatever reason (say an allergy or weak immune system) can't be vaccinated and has to rely on herd immunity to keep them safe.

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#99967: Sep 5th 2015 at 5:11:05 AM

Republicans like ideas proposed by Trump but hate the exact same position if it's proposed by Obama, proving that way too many people don't give a flying fuck about actual politics beyond their chosen avatar.

Figuring out what the public really thinks isn't always an exact science, as anyone who's seen two polls touting completely contradictory results can affirm.

One reason for that: most Americans, regardless of their political views, don't have a solid opinion about every single issue of the day, particularly when it concerns a complicated or obscure topic. People tend, reasonably, to rely on partisan cues — if a politician they support is in favor of a bill, they're likely to think it's a good idea, or vice versa.

As a classic case in point, Republicans are more likely to oppose repealing the 1975 Public Affairs Act — which doesn't actually exist — when they're told that President Barack Obama wants to do so, while Democrats object when they're told it's a Republican proposal. But even when it comes to real issues, reactions to polls can vary greatly, depending on the wording.

How much can namedropping a politician matter? Conveniently, Republican front-runner Donald Trump shares a couple of policy positions with Obama and other leading Democrats. In a new You Gov poll, we randomly assigned one half of the 1,000 Americans surveyed to say whether they agreed with positions Trump held. The rest were asked whether they agreed with positions held by Obama, Secretary of State John Kerry or current Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. The trick: the positions were actually the same.

Yet respondents' reactions were decidedly different. Hearing that Trump supported a certain policy was enough to cause Democrats to reconsider ideas they'd otherwise support, and for Republicans to endorse positions they'd usually avoid.

Lots of cool graphs at the link, showing actual responses to the poll. As a tldr, most positions changed radically, changing 15-20% based upon who the questioner said was supporting the idea.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#99968: Sep 5th 2015 at 6:04:45 AM

There's one level worse than anti-vaxxers - the Faith Healers. A couple was convicted of manslaughter last year for letting their 12-year-old daughter die from diabetes, praying for a cure instead of getting her treatment.

And this particular quote strikes me as a bit of crocodile tears, because I doubt she would have "violated" her religious convictions by taking the reasonable goddamned option.

A tearful, emotional Wenona Rossiter said, “There are no words to the pain a parent feels when she loses a child. … There is not a day that goes by that I wish I could go back, I would’ve known I could change something.”

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#99969: Sep 5th 2015 at 6:18:38 AM

I never understood the faith healing thing. I get they believe in the power of prayer but I never got why intervention was supposed to be wrong. If everything is a part of God's plan should the finding and creation of cures and treatments for diseases be a part of the plan too or whatever?

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#99970: Sep 5th 2015 at 6:27:16 AM

[up]

Because it's man's hubris that enables the cure, not God's Will (TM).

But yeah, I think of this old joke about the man and the flood - which is a bit more fitting than I'd intended given the Hurricane Katrina retrospectives that have been going on lately.

[down][down]

That's what I have in the linked joke.

edited 5th Sep '15 9:03:46 AM by ironballs16

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#99971: Sep 5th 2015 at 6:34:39 AM

I guess. I guess what's "God's will" and unnecessary intervention by people depends on who you're talking to and how much they approve of what is being discussed.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#99972: Sep 5th 2015 at 8:55:13 AM

There's an old joke about that sort of thing. A man is sitting on his roof as several flooding is starting. A truck pulls up and offers to drive him to safety. He refuses because he's confident God will protect him. A little later a boat comes by and he refuses for the same reason. A helicopter approaches as the water is creeping onto the roof of his house. Once again the man refuses to be helped. He dies during the flood and chews God out for not protecting him. God's response is to say he's an idiot for refusing the truck, boat, and helicopter that He sent to help him.

edited 5th Sep '15 8:55:57 AM by Kostya

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#99973: Sep 5th 2015 at 9:02:01 AM

On the anti-vaccination thing, is the argument generally that even though they help prevent diseases they may also cause autism and the parents in question don't want to take the risk or that they don't believe the vaccinations help at all and that they may cause autism, so in addition to not helping they generally harm? Which is more common, you think?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#99974: Sep 5th 2015 at 9:03:52 AM

I have no clue. Whether or not they help prevent diseases doesn't really matter to these people though.

edit: The fact that they think autism is worse than polio or whooping cough is a problem no matter what.

edited 5th Sep '15 9:04:38 AM by Kostya

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
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#99975: Sep 5th 2015 at 9:17:35 AM

Since vaccines fall more under prevention rather than medicine... hmm... Right now, my position is just to let them be if they don't want to vaccinate their kids. It's like parents who let their kids become obese.

I don't think that's equivalent at all. Not only is leaving your child vulnerable to shit like measles a lot more direct than the health complications you can get from being overweight, unvaccinated children pose a threat to their children around them.

[up] Yes, if your not prepared to raise autistic child, don't become a parent period.

edited 5th Sep '15 9:20:51 AM by DrStarky

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