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#99926: Sep 4th 2015 at 8:46:09 AM

[up]Still cute then tongue Parents take time to do that instead of just writing it themselves.

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#99927: Sep 4th 2015 at 9:09:49 AM

I really hate the whole "parents tell kid to say something cute" thing. I respect smart kids. I do not respect parents talking through their kid.

I remember reading a few years back about an 11-year-old girl in Canada who protested how courts wouldn't give her a say in the matter of which divorced parent she was allowed to stay with. And she was doing the protesting on her own - her parents didn't do it for her. THAT I can respect.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#99928: Sep 4th 2015 at 12:39:54 PM

[up]

Makes me think of a bit from Love is Evol, where he points out how insane giving kids attorneys of their own during divorces can be, if taken to the logical conclusion.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#99929: Sep 4th 2015 at 1:08:04 PM

An article I read online was talking about that. To paraphrase them:

"If an adult had said something like that, they'd be called an asshole. A child says it, and it's wisdom out of the mouths of babes. Except of course, these are fictional children whose lines are written by adults."

It also could backfire given that it makes your argument sound like something a naive child would say...

Leviticus 19:34
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#99930: Sep 4th 2015 at 1:19:35 PM

With that specific argument I'd say the kids opinion at least needs to be noted and considered, yes possibly overruled, but it should be noted and considered, especially if you're dealing with a no fault situation.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#99931: Sep 4th 2015 at 2:09:34 PM

In the States, between 9-14 kids can voice their opinions on their living arrangements.

Some states allow for a closed session with the judge and say a child psychologist to help the kid feel safe to voice their opinions.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#99932: Sep 4th 2015 at 2:51:11 PM

I wasn't given a say with my living arrangements ....

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#99933: Sep 4th 2015 at 2:53:22 PM

What year did your parents divorce?

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#99934: Sep 4th 2015 at 2:56:11 PM

2002, when I was 6. I wasn't given any kind of choice until I was 14

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#99935: Sep 4th 2015 at 3:32:09 PM

Yeah, like I said, 9-14. Arkansas is 9. Louisiana is 12. Texas varies by county.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#99936: Sep 4th 2015 at 5:01:29 PM

I was about that age when my parents divorced but never went to court or anything at all. My mom got full custody.

Oh really when?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#99937: Sep 4th 2015 at 5:53:04 PM

Trump has stated that he believes vaccines cause autism, drawing the anti-vaxxer movement into his growing tent (along with the Klan and the American Nazi party) and further proving that he is willing to say any amount of populist horseshit to get elected.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/09/03/3698286/vaccine-truthers-love-donald-trump/

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#99938: Sep 4th 2015 at 6:04:07 PM

[up]...

Well. As someone who actually has autism, (Asperger's syndrome,) I can safely say that I am offended. Granted, just about everything Trump says is offensive, but this one hits a bit closer to home.

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#99939: Sep 4th 2015 at 6:09:20 PM

[up][up]It's kind of awe-inspiring.

[up]It'd be more surprising if you weren't. It's certainly not a rule, but TV Tropes seems to have a disproportionately high number of ASD folks writing and posting. Probably something to do with seeing fiction like a lego set.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#99940: Sep 4th 2015 at 6:19:56 PM

[up][up][up]I am dumbstruck, he is catering the dumbest and biggest assholes in the US political scene.

I. Am. Speechless.

God I fucking hate the anti-vax crowd with a burning passion.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#99941: Sep 4th 2015 at 6:33:19 PM

I wasn't sure before, but I am positive, now: his hair does his moral and ethical thinking for him. >_<

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#99942: Sep 4th 2015 at 6:37:12 PM

[up] Yeah, his brain looks very ugly. But when it comes to his daughter Ivanka, his dick does the thinking there (I hope I'm not the only one who remembers that).

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#99943: Sep 4th 2015 at 6:40:33 PM

We really need to get to work on making it child abuse to not vaccinate healthy children.

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#99944: Sep 4th 2015 at 6:47:55 PM

I'm told that the emotional arguments work on these folks: Show them the effects of Polio and whatnot through the magic of a video. Have it showing parents talking about how horrible it was to watch their kids wither from a disease they could have prevented, as opposed to autism, which you really can't if the kid exists and is running whatever matrix of genetic code you blended into him.

edited 4th Sep '15 6:48:17 PM by Artificius

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#99945: Sep 4th 2015 at 6:58:02 PM

[up]x5 I couldn't agree more.

My only consolation is that the anti-vax crowd will become victim to their own stupidity.

Darwinism at its finest.

[up]They'd probably call it pro-vac propaganda or somethin. Those anti-vax people are quite pigheaded.

edited 4th Sep '15 7:04:38 PM by Skycobra51

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#99946: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:04:11 PM

Yeah but that'll take generations upon generations. And take a bunch of other people with it.

We can't afford to wait that long. There's already been outbreaks of diseases we thought were dead across the country.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#99947: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:07:19 PM

[up][up]So? We need to stop acting like these people have any legitimate points. Just make it illegal to not vaccinate your children and call it a day.

edited 4th Sep '15 7:08:27 PM by Kostya

Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#99948: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:11:36 PM

[up][up]Its probably due to a mix of the anti-vac crowd (who should be vaccinated along with their children, forcefully if we must), unvaccinated immigrants (who should be required to have mandatory vaccinations upon arrival whether they're Legal Immigrants or not), and what might be the biggest, factor of all, is good old fashioned complaceny.

edited 4th Sep '15 7:22:26 PM by Skycobra51

Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.
rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#99949: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:11:41 PM

[up][up][up][up]The anti-vaxxers aren't screwing themselves over (any more than they're screwing over the general population, yay herd immunity), they're screwing over their kids. And kids are hardly guaranteed to adopt their parents' ideology, so any Darwinian selection here is a fucked-up, unfair crapshoot that doesn't preclude the vaxxers maintaining a stable population from former vaccinated kids joining it.

edited 4th Sep '15 7:11:57 PM by rikalous

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#99950: Sep 4th 2015 at 7:12:56 PM

[up]X5 They won't be victims of their own stupidity, because they've all been vaccinated. It's their kids who will be victims of their stupidity, hell even if their kids grown into anti-vaccine nuts and something happens to them, the something happening will be because of the stupidity of the parent, not the later in life stupidity of the grown up kid.

Edit: [up]You're an eye in a stone tower, how can you [nja]? It makes no sense!

edited 4th Sep '15 7:15:11 PM by Silasw

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