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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
To make a political point among tragedy, this is yet another reason why we need better employment policies and better access to mental healthcare.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I was speaking in broad terms. The mental healthcare issue is relevant to this particular case.
edited 26th Aug '15 12:31:30 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Listening to the radio on the way into work today, I was hearing the extremes on both ends come out on the shooting.
One guy suggested that this was a False Flag Operation arranged by the government to make guns look bad. Kind of casually ignores the fact that we've seen far worse in terms of human cost and haven't done jack shit.
On the opposite end was one guy proposing a novel idea - close down US-based gun manufacturers for 50 years. According to him, this would make current owners far more protective of their guns, which would mean that, as guns are taken off the street as a result of arrests, no new ones would go on the street for criminal use. Obviously untenable, but it tickled my funny bone.
And all that said, we don't even know the full circumstances around this, so I'm partially reserving judgment, especially as people are crying "Bring back insane asylums!" when we have no clue if he was certifiably insane.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Closing down gun manufacturers is not a terrible idea on paper, but would drive the industry underground.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I'm not sure that guns and alcohol are directly comparable in terms of how a Prohibition-style movement would work, but it is indisputably true that a black market would flourish in the vacuum left by manufacturers being shut down.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I suppose the difference is whether I, personally, sympathize with those idiots — and in the hypothetical situation before us, I do not.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Sure. A bill of attainder is a legislative action finding someone guilty of a felony or treason without trial. Nationalization of a business does not require or imply finding it or its owners guilty of any crime. Legally, I believe it falls under the purview of eminent domain.
edited 26th Aug '15 1:45:57 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Nope. Look it up. Bill of Attainder
. Related to attainder
: "the legal consequence of judgment of death or outlawry for treason or felony, involving the loss of all civil rights."
edited 26th Aug '15 2:21:11 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
Eh, defense manufacturers then. You know what I mean.
Slimy bastards can't be trusted to hold our troops above their wallets.
I'll take overspending due to incompetence than greed any day.
One is born of stupidity and can be corrected relatively easily, the other is born of malice and will grow like a cancer.
edited 26th Aug '15 4:48:33 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?
Not really, that expenditure grown out of stupidity also has the government corruption element behind it.
Can get much worse because for the people running the thing, it would be very easy to divert funds to personal pockets while keeping everything under the radar because the politicians and the people they put in charge answer to no one.
Inter arma enim silent legesI say the best solution would be to beak them up into smaller companies. It would make contracts more competitive. If necessary we could even swallow our pride and buy a few things from the foreign market to show Lockheed and the others that they are not indispensable.
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.Okay, let's say we nationalize defense contractors. Money is wasted-WASTED I tells you!-because instead of paying private companies that pay people who work for them, we pay people to work for us directly. Somehow.
So ... this "waste," what does it go into, exactly? What specific items would we be spending money on that we shouldn't be? Because I'll tell you where waste goes for private contractors: into the shareholders who own the company. They only cut down on waste because waste cuts into their profit line. But they can cut down on other things too.
Private industry is very good at cutting down waste, but that's just a side effect of the fact that private industry is very good at cutting down anything that reduces the profit margin.
If you're going to insist that nationalizing defense contractors is a bad idea, you should come up with a more specific story as to how that would be problematic, instead of relying on a "government is dumb" mantra of sorts.

The gunman killed himself.
(smh) So senseless.