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probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#99301: Aug 24th 2015 at 8:49:18 PM

When it comes to number of kids, I'm pretty much "have as many as you can comfortably support (preferably without govt. assistance or asking the public for donations)".

19 kids though is WTF, imho.

Plants are aliens, and fungi are nanomachines.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#99302: Aug 24th 2015 at 8:53:40 PM

While I disapprove of any legal intervention to control the number of kids people can have I still think having that many is unhealthy.

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#99306: Aug 25th 2015 at 8:00:23 AM

I am scared too. Can I get invited to a party?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#99307: Aug 25th 2015 at 8:02:09 AM

[up]No, Costa Ricans are dirty Mexicans.tongue

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#99308: Aug 25th 2015 at 8:02:48 AM

Oh.

Can I get invited to a fiesta then?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#99309: Aug 25th 2015 at 8:55:45 AM

[[youtube:bTDGdKaMDhQ]]

So, Meritocracy. Apparently, the main trouble is that people think it's a thing that's been already achieved, rather than something that's inherently unattainable but worthy of being strived for. Furthermore, the trouble is that they use this assumption to have the rich feel entitled to their wealth and contemptuous of the poor for failing to become as wealthy as they, regardless of how much economical (let alone moral) sense such a stance makes.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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Lost in Space
#99310: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:15:53 AM

[up] A.K.A. Calvinism, a doctrine promulgated by the wealthy classes in an ostentatious turn to piety around and shortly after the New Deal became a fait accompli, specifically for the purpose of suborning religious populism which had, previously, been strongly in favor of social support programs and higher taxation.

edited 25th Aug '15 9:16:32 AM by Fighteer

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#99311: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:21:51 AM

[up] Of course, Calvinism wasn't a new idea, invented by the wealthy in the 1930s — it had been around since John Calvin come up with the idea in the 16th Century.

edited 25th Aug '15 9:22:41 AM by Greenmantle

Keep Rolling On
BAFFU Since: Dec, 2012
#99312: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:31:02 AM

I am actually very happy with this whole "anchor baby debate".

I think it will create a coalition between two very different social groups, hispanics and asians.

I believe that from here onwards hispanics and asians will become a more or less unified voting block.

Jeb Bush Brings Asian Immigrants Into 'Anchor Baby' Debate

[1]

Inhe Choi, executive director of the Korean American Resource and Cultural Center, said that Bush was emulating Trump, instead of showing leadership on the issue. Choi said her Chicago-based group promotes comprehensive immigration reform and is able to mobilize more than 100,000 voters.

edited 25th Aug '15 9:32:15 AM by BAFFU

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#99313: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:35:41 AM

I thought most racists were fine with Asians. They're the model minority after all.

BAFFU Since: Dec, 2012
#99314: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:36:55 AM

They finally caught on the fact that, Asians are immigrating more to the U.S than Latins, and that Asians are much more sophisticated in both legal and illegal means to make it into the country.

edited 25th Aug '15 9:37:27 AM by BAFFU

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Lost in Space
#99315: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:39:52 AM

Sam Brownback's Kansas disaster is getting even worse. (full article) (source data)

This has been a bad week for Gov. Sam Brownback and others who believe his massive income tax cuts are going to dramatically boost employment in the state. A new report Friday showed that Kansas had lost a whopping 4,300 jobs in July from a month earlier.

The unemployment rate climbed for the fourth straight month, up to 4.6 percent, according to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. And look at this disastrous note: The Sunflower State now has 1,700 fewer jobs than it did at the start of 2015.

One more fact from the latest report shows that Kansas has added a puny 5,600 total jobs in the last year — from July 2014 to July 2015. The new information shows that the tax cuts that have drained the Kansas treasury of hundreds of millions of dollars the past two years are not working to attract employers and jobs.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#99316: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:44:49 AM

But Art Laffer told us Kansas is doing just fine!

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#99317: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:45:38 AM

have anchor baby relatives. tongue. It is fairly commonplace in middle-class to upper-class Chinese social circles over here.

Honestly, it is a loophole. so, imo, if the Americans want to change it, I think it's within their right. Already more than enough trouble taking care of your own + the immigrants already over there, legal or illegal.

I will also admit freely that I do not like using children as anchors. People should have children with the intention of them living their own lives, not as a pathway to a better standard of living. It's basically like getting the USA into a baby trap.

edited 25th Aug '15 9:46:06 AM by probablyinsane

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Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#99318: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:47:14 AM

Asians are much more sophisticated in both legal and illegal means to make it into the country.

I need strong sources on this one because the difference between stowing away on a freight ship and trekking a desert is negligible in terms of the ingenuity required to accomplish the task. This is also a simple matter of geography and topography rather than success rate. Same goes for the green card application process.

edited 25th Aug '15 9:48:07 AM by Aprilla

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#99319: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:49:16 AM

[up]. Likely referring to the middle class upper class Asians who can afford birth tourism packages.

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Lost in Space
#99320: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:49:54 AM

Already more than enough trouble taking care of your own + the immigrants already over there, legal or illegal.
Negative. Immigration is associated with increased overall GDP, as they represent a growth in the labor force, which increases demand. Quite frankly, we have a population growth crisis among "mainstream American" demographics: middle- and upper-class whites. Unless everyone suddenly turns into a quiverfull, the only way we'll get enough new people to sustain our economy is via immigration.

We should want these people to come. There's more than enough space for them. Of course they displace "White American Culture" to some extent, but that's inevitable. Can't roll back the clock, can't push back the ocean. The alternative is to become Japan.

edited 25th Aug '15 9:50:56 AM by Fighteer

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probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#99321: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:51:57 AM

[up]. Will have to disagree, just from the criticisms of usa's social services in this forum.

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Lost in Space
#99322: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:53:28 AM

Our social services suck because upper-class whites don't want to cough up their hard-earned (*cough* extracted via rent-seeking) money in taxes and because poor whites want to stick it to the dirty blacks/Mexicans/whatever. We have ample resources to provide for everyone and will for the foreseeable future.

Have you seen how hard immigrants work? If their work ethic were to be matched by fair economic compensation, they'd be the new middle class faster than you could say "goodbye white privilege".

edited 25th Aug '15 9:55:25 AM by Fighteer

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#99324: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:57:38 AM

Basically it's totally within the power of the federal government to have welfare programs out the ass but we refuse to do it because fuck black people.

Oh really when?
Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#99325: Aug 25th 2015 at 9:57:46 AM

[up][up][up]Right. Public assistance programs like equal opportunity housing, TANF, SNAP, WIC and workforce grants are much cheaper in the long term than debt accrued from past due notices and defaulting on loans. In terms of cost, public assistance is dwarfed by corporate subsidies, but our country has a magnificent unwillingness to understand and accept that.

edited 25th Aug '15 9:57:56 AM by Aprilla


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