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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#99251: Aug 24th 2015 at 9:48:40 AM

[up]I am more in favor of giving them tax breaks for corporations engaging in philanthropic activities.

Like granting scholarships for students, sponsoring humanitarian organizations and investing in impoverished areas.

With government oversight of course to make sure the money is being properly spent.

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#99252: Aug 24th 2015 at 9:52:19 AM

Paying no corporation tax in exchange for setting up in disadvantaged areas might be an idea, although such a thing would likely have unintended consequences.

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#99253: Aug 24th 2015 at 9:52:45 AM

I'm not sure that we should be seeking to control corporate spending behavior; philanthropy is a nice goal but it's really not the function of the business world. It's the function of government to tax those resources and distribute them appropriately.

We're so ideologically opposed to government spending that we fall back on companies to fill public service roles. This is contrary to their natural inclination and so creates intense friction between companies that spend money on social responsibility and those that don't.

edited 24th Aug '15 9:54:04 AM by Fighteer

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#99254: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:06:12 AM

[up]Not exactly on the charge of the corporation.

For example, the government could set up student scholarship programs or infrastructure renewal works, but the private companies could act as investors or sponsors and maybe provide some assistance like trained professionals or materiel, in exchange the government gives a nice % of discount on their taxes.

My rationale would be that government spending would directly or indirectly benefit certain corporations, so it would be only fair for them to contribute and give them some incentives to do so.

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#99255: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:06:18 AM

[up][up] I don't know, with that line of thought — does that mean that you think charities (and the entire sector, up to and including museums and orchestras) should be run by the Government?

edited 24th Aug '15 10:07:11 AM by Greenmantle

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#99256: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:26:54 AM

Are not most domestic charities (ones for the homeless, the abused, the starving and such) in ways a testament to goverment failure by their mere existence? They are addressing problems that rather fall under the remit of the goverment, as such the fact that they are needed proves that the goverment is failing to deal with the things that it should be dealing with.

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#99257: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:30:46 AM

Indeed, although it's hard to convince people of that. Everyone but the hardcore objectivists sees private charity as saintly while the government providing the same services is seen as seedy at best, nevermind that the government can do it better due to economies of scale (though usually not cheaper, since they have to actually pay their people).

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#99258: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:41:56 AM

This has to be the most baffling argument against giving "anchor babies" citizenship I've ever heard. Fuck Mike Lester.

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#99259: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:45:39 AM

What the fuck is a Mike Lester and is it contagious

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#99260: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:46:09 AM

The whole argument is nonsense and is founded entirely in racism. You really think there's going to be anything intelligent concerning it.

Oh really when?
TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#99261: Aug 24th 2015 at 10:48:10 AM

Mike Lester's very tiny Wikipedia page.

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#99262: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:00:34 AM

He's just a gross political cartoonists.

I follow a blog that makes fun that makes fun of political cartoonists and he comes up a lot.

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#99263: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:04:03 AM

One of the few things that makes us in the US, and indeed the rest of the Americas better than Europe, is our granting of citizenship to everyone born on our shores. We shouldn't change that. If anything we should get more countries to adopt it.

edited 24th Aug '15 11:18:21 AM by JackOLantern1337

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#99264: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:55:54 AM

Oh man, racists really need to use that as their talking point. "WE SHOULD BE MORE LIKE EUROPE!"

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#99265: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:57:04 AM

Well considering how many right wingers have a hard on for Putin.

Oh really when?
BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#99266: Aug 24th 2015 at 11:58:40 AM

As the conservative writer Ben Domenech asked in an essay in The Federalist last week, “Are Republicans for freedom or white identity politics?”

“There is a faction that would actually rather burn down the entire Republican Party in hopes they can rebuild it in their image,” Rick Wilson, a Florida-based Republican admaker, told me. For his outspoken antagonism to Trump, including an op-ed calling Trump voters “Hillary’s new best friends,” Wilson has received a deluge of bile from Trump’s army of Internet trolls; his family has been threatened and his clients have been harassed. He worries that the party is on the brink of falling apart. “There’s got to be either a reconciliation or a division,” he said. “There’s still a greater fraction of people who are limited-government conservatives than people motivated by the personality cult of Donald Trump.”

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#99267: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:00:46 PM

[up][up]

...Do they? I haven't heard anything good about Putin from the right. I've seen more than one right-wing video that states that people like Putin are the reason why the American World Police are still absolutely necessary.

edited 24th Aug '15 12:02:13 PM by Protagonist506

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#99268: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:00:48 PM

[up][up][up]In the US or Europe? Cause the Europe's far right does have ties with Putin and some parties get funding from the Kremlin.

edited 24th Aug '15 12:01:10 PM by AngelusNox

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#99269: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:04:19 PM

Strawman Has a Point indeed. I don't think any republican would ever bring this subject up.
The Trump is bringing it up because it appeals to his voter base: Who are basically the old Southern Democrat and conservative White Suburban types.

Who both believe that Wall Street needs a kick to the teeth.

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#99270: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:06:41 PM

Yeppers, Trump is not with the big money Republicans. That's what the article Bonsai posted is all about.

He's with the cross burners and domestic terror cells.

Oh really when?
BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#99271: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:25:46 PM

The Beltway freakout that Trump has inspired proves his ability to shake up the system, Stone added. “I think what they’re really upset about is that if he got elected they’d be out of a job, since they’re in the lobbying revolving door,” said Stone, himself a former lobbyist. “They can’t buy him; they can’t influence him in the traditional Washington ways. He’ll be a truly independent president, and I don’t think that’s something the Republican establishment wants.”

I agree that he'll be independent. Except who would he be serving? Us, or himself? I don't think Trump has a big history of caring about others. I'd rather have Bill Gates as president. The former richest person on Earth who later became a philanthropist. But he wouldn't have the ego or personality to run and get people excited about him.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#99272: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:28:43 PM

It's hilarious that it's still a question of whether the Republican party is a party of policy or of white identity. 10 years ago that was at least a valid question, after 8 years of outrageous stunts to spite a black president, can anyone honestly say the GOP is a party of ideas?

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#99273: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:29:43 PM

If Bill Gates were to ever run, he could campaign safely from his front porch while his name recognition did all the work for him. Granted, a more effective method would be to have other big names/money with more charisma go out and stump on his behalf.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#99274: Aug 24th 2015 at 12:47:58 PM

Eh, you'd be surprised on that. Trump isn't the first business name to run, although he has the edge of TV celebrity. Steve Forbes of Forbes mag fame ran for the Republican slot in 1996 and couldn't really get his campaign out of first gear.

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