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#98826: Aug 18th 2015 at 8:13:08 AM

[up][up]And yet you post here complaining about people dissing your beloved Confederate flag. Make up your mind. Clearly you are capable of giving a damn when the reality of racial politics intrudes on your comfortably ignorant world view.

edited 18th Aug '15 8:13:36 AM by Fighteer

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#98827: Aug 18th 2015 at 8:16:59 AM
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#98829: Aug 18th 2015 at 8:18:56 AM

That's a new one.

You've never been called ignorant before?

How young are you?

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#98830: Aug 18th 2015 at 8:20:46 AM

I say we take a break from the always delightful circular arguments about race and focus on something else. Like public works. Any overpriced bridges getting bought and put in stupid places these days?

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#98831: Aug 18th 2015 at 8:21:19 AM

[up]Not that I can think of. But does Pennsylvania road crews working on the same stretch of road for several years count?

edited 18th Aug '15 8:30:33 AM by Skycobra51

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#98832: Aug 18th 2015 at 8:55:05 AM

Although, I will say one thing — Critical race theory is itself an example of what it attacks. It's an example of American Privilege. smile

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#98833: Aug 18th 2015 at 8:59:58 AM

You have to start somewhere. While the United States is not a closed circle, the lessons learned while addressing our racial issues are broadly applicable to other nations with similar problems.

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#98834: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:02:58 AM

And to be frank I doubt their are many countries with race issues as big as ours. South Africa and Israel are the only country I can think of that has racial issues as bad as ours.

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#98836: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:08:06 AM

Trump has pulled ahead in the GOP primary and now leads on every issue, according to Republican voters.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/politics/donald-trump-presidential-poll-debate/index.html

OK, Bernie and Hillary? Do not fuck things up here.

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Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#98837: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:08:25 AM

[up][up][up][up]Yes.

Also, I'm not one for oppression Olympics, so we need to treat subjugation and oppression with care on a case by case basis while acknowledging that there are fundamental mechanics of inequality that can be applied to all of humanity. For example, there are valuable parallels to be observed between the Japanese treatment of the Ainu and Spain's treatment of indigenous peoples of Central America. To that end I say not to be so obtuse about it (ahem, Greenmantle). The field of critical race theory is obviously capable of covering non-US instances of racial strife.

edited 18th Aug '15 9:11:16 AM by Aprilla

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#98838: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:10:17 AM

The U.S is big, and pretty popular. So its race issues are pretty easy to notice.

But to invisibilize situations like that in other countries is just plain ol silly.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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#98839: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:36:03 AM

I understand this to be a highly contentious argument, but the way I see it, political analysis is incomplete - though not always deficient - without an analysis of power structures and how those power structures affect different groups of people. To put it differently, identity politics is politics in general. Again, it's an academic viewpoint that causes a lot of headbutting, but many sociologists and legal scholars charge that the narratives and collective adversity of social groups is crucial to economic edification, policy making and just societal progress in general. For example, while I think it's acceptable to talk about capitalism on an abstract level, after a certain point you need to account for how western ethnocentrism has been influenced by free market ideology and vice versa.

Some people find it counterproductive to advocate for things like racial solidarity (which is the reason why you hear the "why can't we have a white history month if X group has one" argument), but this ignores how marginalization is perpetuated by flaws in our institutions, especially since many of those flaws are manufactured rather than inertial.

Think about the GMO debate and how the class undertones affect that debate at the policy level. Think about the racial and class implications of Hurricane Katrina even if you keep in the context of anthropogenic climate change. Strange as it sounds, LGBT rights impact and are impacted by political economics (see: Disneyworld and the so called gay market). Paul Krugman seems to be more interested in abstract systems and not so much how people are affected by those systems, but he's at least mildly cognizant of how, say, Keynesian economic policies influence the Latino community's enfranchisement opportunities (again, think about voter ID laws and the implications they have for immigrant labor participation).

edited 18th Aug '15 9:38:59 AM by Aprilla

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#98840: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:36:30 AM

[up][up][up] Mind you, how good is the Theory where the racism is due to nationality, not the colour of ones skin?

edited 18th Aug '15 9:36:41 AM by Greenmantle

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#98841: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:39:32 AM

[up] Same horse, different color. (Yes, I recognize the irony of that metaphor.)

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#98842: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:41:32 AM

[up][up]Dude, that's covered in multiple sectors of social science across the globe. In an academic and professional context, things like nationalism, jingoism and irredentism aren't regarded as compartmentalized issues to be addressed in a vacuum. I'd give you non-US examples, but it's getting off the topic.

edited 18th Aug '15 9:42:49 AM by Aprilla

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#98843: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:43:03 AM

@Fighter: You are right. Literally as soon as I typed that I remembered reading about how several Arab countries discriminate against ethnic minorities with forced "Arabization policies." And that's just off the top of my head. I should stop thinking of Europe when I say the rest of the planet.

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#98844: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:44:11 AM

A good example would be the endless feuding between Croatians and Serbians. Croatians in general are pretty racist.

[up] x8 It's time people put their guns to good use and show Trump that no more means NO MORE.

edited 18th Aug '15 9:44:35 AM by SciFiSlasher

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#98845: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:52:26 AM

@ Aprila Out of curiosity how does class effect the GMO debate at the policy level. Personally I always found the anti GMO crowd to make some of the most idiotic arguments I have ever heard. I have also usually found them to be upper class. To roughly quote Penn, only the well fed get to worry about what kind of food they are eating. I would enjoy hearing your opinion on the subject.

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#98846: Aug 18th 2015 at 9:56:22 AM

Odds checker says trump at 3 and Bernie at 4.

Clinton 1 bush 2 .

Omg if Trump actually wins the republican nominations.

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Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#98847: Aug 18th 2015 at 10:10:35 AM

@Jack: Really quick because I've gotta go.

Many of the people spearheading the demonization and misrepresentation of GMO tech are affluent individuals who can afford to be picky about what's in the food they are eating. Anti-GMO advocates often ignore the cost of production, transportation and distribution that goes into our food system. Growing organic at the individual level is just fine and I actually encourage it, but at the major population level, it's simply not sustainable. The amount of land, water, fuel and shelf space needed to maintain so-called naturally grown food can be curtailed with foods that have been modified to reduce their encumbrance on society while still offering nutrition.

Putting it frankly, most poor people rightfully don't give a shit about the latest avocado fad, paleo dieting and gluten-free products. This also goes back to what Fighteer was saying about market agnosticism in that many industries such as the new age market, the supplement industry and upper-crust restaurants are jumping onto the organic bandwagon because the demographics that favor organic foods tend to be fairly well-off.

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#98848: Aug 18th 2015 at 10:24:07 AM

Monsanto shadiness is about as much as I know or care about vis a vis the GMO thing.

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#98849: Aug 18th 2015 at 10:39:07 AM

For me, it depends. For example, I am against genetically modifying or even just plain breeding veggies that emphasize their "largeness" or appearance over nutritional content.

For example, carrots used to be purple or violet. And yeah... those purple carrots are a lot more nutritious.

I also do not like it when they breed "foods" which are intended to increase craving rather than hunger satiation.

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#98850: Aug 18th 2015 at 10:51:47 AM

Aw, I missed all the fun race bits and now we're just talking about carrots.

And Aprilla is about right. Poor people don't give a shit about what they eat, we can't afford to.

I was grocery shopping the other day and you know how much a gallon of organic milk was? Seven fucking dollars. Went and bought two normal ones for six.

It's like that with everything. I eat terribly and it is taking years off my life, I can feel it. But bad food is really cheap so that's about all I can do.

All these diets and so on are marketed to rich people who can afford to not eat nothing but carbs and buy quality food.

Oh really when?

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