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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#98751: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:07:41 PM

Well, after a detailed and powerful studying of the matter I have recalled a bevy of information regarding the current subject. I have little to add to it, however what I do have to add I believe will be important enough to feasibly demonstrate adequate and modern knowledge of firearm lore.

Basically, my understanding of weaponry goes like this

Non automatic: BANG

Automatic: BANG BANG BANG

Right?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#98752: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:14:21 PM

It's a bit more complicated than that.

  • A non-automatic weapon requires the wielder to manually cycle or load a new round into the chamber before shooting again. Bolt-action rifles, pump-action shotguns, and similar weapons count in this category.
  • An automatic weapon cycles a new round into the chamber after each shot.
    • A semi-automatic weapon requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each round.
    • A burst-fire automatic weapon fires more than one round (usually three) with a single trigger pull, but requires a separate trigger pull for each subsequent burst.
    • A fully automatic weapon continues firing as long as the trigger is held until the magazine is emptied.

Many automatic weapons have mode selection between single-shot, burst, and full-auto.

edited 17th Aug '15 2:13:42 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#98753: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:48:07 PM

Assault Rifle: A rifled weapon firing an intermediate cartridge such as the 5.56X45mm or the 7.62X39mm round with the capability to fire either in burst or in fully automatic. EX: The M-16, The Ak-47, The Sig 550, The FAMAS.

Battle Rifle: A rifled weapon intended for military use firing full sized rifle cartridges like the 7.62X51mm, or the .303 British. Can be semi-automatic, burst, fully automatic or bolt action. Lever action is extremely rare. EX: The M-1 Garand, The M-14, The FN-FAL, The G-3, The Mauser KAR-98.

An AR-15 is neither of those things. An AR-15 is a semi-automatic, intermediate caliber rifle. It's round is too small to be a battle rifle and it lacks the automatic capability of an Assault rifle.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#98754: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:50:57 PM

Sounds like more Bangs than necesary for your buck.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#98755: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:53:24 PM

Another reason full auto isn't used by civilians. Who wants to blow through a whole paycheck in an hour?

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#98756: Aug 17th 2015 at 1:55:08 PM

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Crazy people.tongue

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#98757: Aug 17th 2015 at 2:17:17 PM

It's kind of funny, but technically a (modern) revolver is a semi-auto weapon according to those definitions, because a trigger pull cycles the magazine.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#98758: Aug 17th 2015 at 2:33:24 PM

My understanding is that a double-action revolver is technically not considered a semi-automatic firearm because it doesn't automatically eject spent shell casings after being fired. It fits the "one trigger pull, one round fired" definition, but given that it works on an entirely different mechanism than semi-automatic weapons, it's generally considered to be its own thing.

edited 17th Aug '15 2:34:01 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
RabidTanker God-Mayor of Sim-Kind Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
God-Mayor of Sim-Kind
#98759: Aug 17th 2015 at 2:53:29 PM

I predict an rise in gas prices... Which isn't new, except this time it's because of existing rationing program that's about affect the public.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#98761: Aug 17th 2015 at 3:21:13 PM

Another issue to consider with gun politics is how it intersects with race, class and gender. The last two or three major shooting incidents to make headlines involved angry white men who, among other things, had a low opinion of gender-related issues like miscegenation, abortion, children born out of wedlock and the future of white women in the US. Along with the current onslaught of swatting, doxxing, bomb threats and online cultures that encourage misogyny, we cannot pretend that these anti-feminist manifestos are harmless fodder.

As for the class and race issues, note that AR-15 rifles came to national attention again when Adam Lanza murdered children in a relatively wealthy, conservative and predominantly white community. The hypothetical Lakesha Thompson who gets shot to death on her way home from school doesn't create much noise about straw purchases and handguns finding their way into illicit drug enterprises. Or at least it didn't until BLM mobilized the issue. Likewise, the hypothetical Fillipe Chavez getting shot to death while doing his homework as gangbangers were passing by only gets attention (rather erroneously) in the context of immigration, which fuels the racist undertones of that avenue of debate.

Without getting too strung up, violence against women and minorities, inner-city violence and police-instigated violence are being normalized at an alarming rate, but the silver lining here is that people are slowly but surely starting to realize that:

a.) the War on Drugs is a failure and is responsible for a lot of the community violence poor/minority communities face regularly.

b.) weapons with military-style furniture are negligible in the overall discussion about gun violence, and

c.) online harassment, sex worker shaming (yes, this is related to gun violence, believe it or not) and politicized misogyny are indeed tied to offline acts of violence against women.

We can pass more laws on background checks and straw purchases. We can give the ATF more breathing room to investigate lost firearms. But we need to fess up the fact that some of these angry fellows who spend way too much time on white supremacist Reddit subforums are going to force us to ask some uncomfortable questions about online socialization practices. Many of those questions have already been asked in the Surveillance thread.

edited 17th Aug '15 3:25:55 PM by Aprilla

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#98762: Aug 17th 2015 at 3:47:55 PM

Sex worker shaming is related to guns? How? I'm afraid I can't quite see the relation.

Oh really when?
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#98763: Aug 17th 2015 at 3:50:36 PM

They are probably ashamed by the size of their guns and how early and quickly they trigger

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#98764: Aug 17th 2015 at 3:54:00 PM

Dehumanization leads to violence and their deaths.

Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#98765: Aug 17th 2015 at 4:03:53 PM

Trafficking circles often overlap. Also [up]

edited 17th Aug '15 4:07:02 PM by Aprilla

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Professional Forum Ninja
#98766: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:28:21 PM

The Houston Chronicle put up a gallery showing various places along the U.S.-Mexico border showing how different and how similar some are.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#98767: Aug 17th 2015 at 7:06:38 PM

Well we all knew this day would come Republican officials in several states are moving to cut funding for planed parenthood.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
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The Mod with the Migraine
#98768: Aug 18th 2015 at 2:32:31 AM

The biggest problem facing Jeb Bush's campaign is Jeb Bush himself.

After a flat performance in the first debate and a slide backward in national and early state polls, the former Florida governor has taken to calling himself the "joyful tortoise" of the race, a role that many did not expect the candidate with more than $100 million to be playing. But at a time when Republican voters are looking for a candidate to channel their anger and frustration, Bush's bookish — sometimes awkward — demeanor is preventing him from connecting with wide swaths of the primary electorate. He refuses to compete with Trump's antics and swatted away questions about his current position in the race during his recent visit here.

Friends and aides describe Bush as thoughtful, tough, and exacting, qualities they say make him a great leader. But those traits don't always translate well to the demands of a campaign driven by social media hijinks or to the glad-handing that takes successful candidates across the finish line. A day before Donald Trump breezed through his hour-long visit to the Iowa State Fair, waving quick hellos from inside his buffer of a dozen private security guards with the bearing of an imperial candidate, Bush clocked four hours of aggressive campaigning — relishing the chance to engage with voters in policy discussions. After meeting him, voters invariably used words like "warm," "direct," "genuine," and "earnest" to describe the former Florida governor. Few doubt his qualifications or readiness for the intellectual rigors of the Oval Office.

But they are rarely dazzled in the same way they are by rival candidates like Trump, or Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, or even by Bush's brother, George W. Bush, who could lock eyes and grip the shoulder of a voter for seconds on the rope line, and leave them with a sense of a deep, personal connection. For all his tortoise analogies, there is a restless quality about the younger Bush — a sense that he is always in a hurry to get to the next milepost, even at venues as laid back as the Iowa State Fair.

He is not in a hurry to give answers to questions that he is still thinking about. He paused for a long while after a reporter asked him Thursday night in Iowa whether he would like his own helicopter. "There's no good answer to that," he replied after a beat, before moving on.

He also does not pretend to enjoy the more tiresome aspects of campaigning like the enormous press scrum that formed around him as he passed through the fair. When a photographer accidentally backed into a man in a wheelchair, Bush came to a dead stop in the street and turned to an aide: "Have they no shame?" he asked. Flashes of impatience also flicker across his face if he doesn't like a question from a reporter, a trait his advisers hope to keep check in during the upcoming series of presidential debates.

Voters seem to like Bush after meeting him, but time and again after his events here Thursday and Friday, he had moved on before making the sale. "He seems smart and capable," said 69-year-old Jerry Litzel, who came to hear Bush at the Polk County Summer Sizzle Thursday night. "But he's soft-spoken. I think we need someone who can stand up for the United States." (Trump was among the candidates Litzel said he was considering).

Robert Davis, a hairdresser from Des Moines who buttonholed Bush in the state fair's "Bud Tent" to tell him he was going to be the next president, was blunt when the candidate walked away. "He needs to get his ball rolling," Davis said of Bush. The hairdresser is considering the former Florida governor along with Trump, who he likes because "he says what we think, out loud." "You have to bring people in. You have to make them respond to you — that is what Trump is doing," Davis said. "Bush hasn't showed that yet."

And in less national news, Mississippi is taking fire from lots of well-known people about their state flag still incorporating the Confederate Battle Flag.

In what has become the latest variation on a recent, but familiar, theme, a prominent group of people signed a letter published Sunday in the Mississippi Clarion-Ledger calling on Mississippi to change its flag. "It's time for Mississippi to fly a flag for all its people," read the letter, printed as a full-page advertisement. The Mississippi flag currently features an emblem of the Confederate Battle Flag in its top left corner, a symbol that has engendered no shortage of controversy.

The letter's signatories included author and former Mississippi State Rep. John Grisham, Academy Award winning actor Morgan Freeman, football legend and patriarch Archie Manning, musician Jimmy Buffett and some 60 other cultural and business figures. Echoing the anti-Confederate flag sentiment, bikers from all corners of Mississippi rallied in support of change on Sunday in the city of Jackson, the state's capital.

Sorry, folks but when God tells you it's time to change the flag, then it's fucking time to change the flag.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
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Lost in Space
#98769: Aug 18th 2015 at 4:56:45 AM

Jeb Bush might be someone I'd support as a national candidate from the GOP if his expressed policy positions weren't so toxic and if he hadn't signed on all of his brother's advisers — the same brainless yes-men who got us into Iraq.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#98770: Aug 18th 2015 at 5:45:33 AM

[up][up] It's a flag. People are getting upset over a flag. Of all the problems facing our country, a flag takes center stage?

Mississippi can fly their flag if they want to, there's no law saying they can't.

This anti-confederate stuff is getting out of hand.

Almost akin to cultural cleansing or book burning.

edited 18th Aug '15 5:46:44 AM by Skycobra51

Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.
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A procrastination in of itself
#98771: Aug 18th 2015 at 5:57:30 AM

[up] So the best argument you have in defence of the act is that it's not literally illegal to do?

And, really asking that the government not public ally fly a slaver flag is cultural cleansing? Even though nobody has asked that it be banned for private use? Do you even know the meaning of the term "cultural cleansing"?

edited 18th Aug '15 5:59:38 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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Warder of the damned
#98772: Aug 18th 2015 at 6:03:54 AM

[up][up]It is not like there is anyone in Russia trying to fly the hammer and scythe or that fancy Hindu cross in Germany again.

Somethings gotta change once in a while, maybe this time they could come up with a flag that isn't butt ugly like most US state flags.

[down]The Stars and Stripes wasn't made to stand behind slavery or for a slaver regime.

edited 18th Aug '15 6:13:07 AM by AngelusNox

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Skycobra51 A suitable case for treatment from The US of A Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
A suitable case for treatment
#98773: Aug 18th 2015 at 6:05:12 AM

[up][up]Yet the US flag was also a slaver flag, after all, slavery existed longer in the United States then the Confederacy, so why not ban it as well.

[up] There probably are but they're not going public about it. Ever try to ban something? It don't stick, like banning Marijuana or Prohibition.

edited 18th Aug '15 6:12:50 AM by Skycobra51

Look upon my privilege ye mighty and despair.
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#98774: Aug 18th 2015 at 6:11:11 AM

Because the US wasn't founded based on the idea of how awesome slavery is and how vital it is that it be protected from the evil people who want to treat black people as human beings rather than property.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#98775: Aug 18th 2015 at 6:12:22 AM

[up][up] As well? Nobody is trying to ban the confederate flag.

There's a difference between "the state should not endorse this" and "this is banned" learn it.

edited 18th Aug '15 6:12:42 AM by Silasw

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