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#98576: Aug 13th 2015 at 5:14:59 PM

[up] To make sure the nutcases couldn't breed. You don't like gay marriage, ok! No one can marry and you super religious 'cant have sex before your married' types will be come extinct. Have fun!

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#98577: Aug 13th 2015 at 5:25:25 PM

[up]So, the only way to deal with the nutjobs is to be just as nutty as them? Because I still think outlawing marriage would be pretty darn nutty.

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#98578: Aug 13th 2015 at 5:32:01 PM

I never said I wanted to abolish marriage, I was pointing out how it could be done. This exercise is entirely theoretical anyway, as no politician who supports the abolition of marriage is going to win reelection, and so none of them will do so.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#98579: Aug 13th 2015 at 5:35:05 PM

Are there politicians that actually want to abolish marriage entirely?

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Shameful Display
#98580: Aug 13th 2015 at 5:38:26 PM

[up] I don't think so.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#98581: Aug 13th 2015 at 5:41:14 PM

There are a few who want to abolish state marriage so that the gays can't get married because gays can't get religious married. They seem a bit blind to the fact that they're throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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#98582: Aug 13th 2015 at 5:48:57 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but the article didn't say they were removing Marriage but replacing marriage licenses with "contracts." Which presumably gives the clerks denying marriage to gays much more legal leeway to say "this part of the contract isn't structured correctly thus it's denied" in the vein of literacy tests during the civil rights era.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
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Student of Story
#98583: Aug 13th 2015 at 8:32:08 PM

[up] What are your views on the Federal Agencies? Are they similar?

They're somewhat better, and they're considerably better when they start overseeing the actions of locals.They have all sorts of shady shit going on with them too, the ATF has things like Operation Furious (aka the screwup that ''should have gotten all the attention that Fast and Furious got) and while the FBI has improved from its days when crushing any kind of black rights movement, they still have a dubious record when it comes to people they're interrogating and are more than willing to fuck up the lives of either suspects or people connected to suspects. The most famous case recently being the friend of Tsarnaev that they killed under much debated circumstances during an interview, while also imprisoning others or threatening to deport them for not cooperating. (Fun fact, that FBI agent who shot Tsarnaev's friend was an ex-cop from Oakland with multiple brutality and corruption cases, and was investigated repeatedly by Internal Affairs, including over falsifying official statements.)

The common thread is the lack of any consequences for the abuse of power. As it stands, we do not realistically have many consequences for police or federal agents found abusing power, and we do not have a culture where such incidents are reviewed honestly, fully, and openly. There's a combination of deference to authority, a lack of review of it, a lack of journalistic willingness to challenge and question those authorities, and institutions that tend to automatically close ranks and refuse to allow review or reform due to the us vs them mentality that many people in law enforcement feel.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#98584: Aug 13th 2015 at 9:18:25 PM

The marriage contract deal might be that a license is something given out by the government, while a contract is an agreement made between two people, and the government's only role is making the participants honor the terms they agreed to. So maybe that idea is that, by making it a marriage contract instead of a marriage license, the government is seen as keeping its hands clean.

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#98586: Aug 13th 2015 at 11:41:11 PM

Now there goes a man far braver than I

Oh really when?
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#98587: Aug 14th 2015 at 12:57:11 AM

If it's this much trouble for her, just resign.
But if she resigns, then nobody will be there to stop TEH GAYZ from taking over AmericaKentucky!
because gays can't get religious married.
I know the LGBT Religion thread has covered which religions will and are performing marriages. The same ones wanting to abolish state marriages are also blind enough they believe their religion is the only one with rights.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#98588: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:13:53 AM

"What's Whitewater? These voters know less than you think about Hillary Clinton"

Democratic pollster Celinda Lake has been asking voters how much they trust Hillary Rodham Clinton for more than two decades. So when she recently asked a group of 10 young people about the issue, her questions naturally turned to Whitewater, the Arkansas land deal turned White House scandal of the 1990s.

Instead of the heated answers the topic once invited, the focus group responded with confused silence.

“Is that a new type of vodka?” one person finally offered.

The participant was probably kidding, Lake said. But the answer is exemplary of a challenge confronting pollsters, ad-makers and strategists on both sides who are trying to shape Clinton’s image during her presidential run. The youngest eligible voters of 2016 were toddlers when America’s most prominent political power couple left the White House, and what Americans know about Clinton is increasingly defined by what stage of her career she was in when they first tuned in…

...

… “The whole thing of scandal is much harder to pin on her with first- and second-time voters,” said Frank Luntz, a GOP strategist who helped counsel House Republicans through their battles with the Clintons in the 1990s. “The ’90s are as irrelevant to 20-somethings as the 1950s are to 50-somethings. If you didn’t see it and you didn’t hear it and you didn’t live it, it doesn’t matter.”

To some young voters, even Clinton’s marriage seems irrelevant to how they think of her, which is mostly as a presidential candidate or secretary of State.

“Most of her career that I followed has been when she was operating by herself and he’s been kind of a background piece,” said Marilis Dugas, a 21-year-old student at Clinton’s alma mater, Wellesley College. “I don’t have nearly as many associations of the two of them together.”…

TL;DR: What happened in the 80s and 90s with Hillary Clinton doesn't matter to younger voters, they care about what she's done since the 00s and 10s.

edited 14th Aug '15 3:14:04 AM by PotatoesRock

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#98589: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:39:48 AM

[up] Uh-oh, that might encourage Mr. Internet ...

When asked if he's joining the race for President, Al Gore responds, "Are you kidding?"

Two people close to Al Gore pushed back on a report Thursday that suggested the former vice president was considering running for president in 2016. An associate of the 67-year-old Gore told CNN that the speculation was "groundless," and a spokeswoman for Gore added later Thursday that there was "no truth" to the idea he is considering a White House run.

Buzzfeed reported that supporters of Gore had begun talking about a possible presidential run, though some Gore advisers poured "lukewarm water" on the speculation. "This is people talking to people, some of whom may or may not have talked to him," one Gore adviser told Buzzfeed. The former vice president lost the race to succeed President Bill Clinton in 2000 — despite winning the popular vote — and would be competing against Clinton's wife, Hillary, were he to enter the Democratic race.

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#98592: Aug 14th 2015 at 5:23:28 AM

Whitewater could be said to be one of the interminable non-scandals that Republicans keep trying to pin on Democratic leaders in order to discredit them, in retaliation for all the legitimate scandals that keep getting exposed on their side.

Which is not to say that Democrats are all squeaky clean, and there may have been some wrongdoing, but nothing was ever proven despite years of "investigations".

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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#98594: Aug 14th 2015 at 7:32:27 AM

Young voters care only for whatHillary did in the 00s? That is bullcrap! I would totally vote on her based on the sole fact she appeared in Freakazoid and Pinky and the Brain!

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
BAFFU Since: Dec, 2012
#98595: Aug 14th 2015 at 7:55:57 AM

I dont think you would still be considered a young voter if you watched those shows when they aired and understood the jokes.

edited 14th Aug '15 7:56:08 AM by BAFFU

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#98596: Aug 14th 2015 at 8:22:21 AM

Regarding Hilary, it's basically less what she's accomplished on a whole, and more, 'What have you done for me lately?'. This could be considered being ungrateful or ignorant, but at least it's honest.tongue

edited 14th Aug '15 8:32:22 AM by kkhohoho

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A nice butterfly
#98597: Aug 14th 2015 at 8:23:14 AM

Yeah, I mean. What cameos has she done recently in funny cartoons?

That's what I thought.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#98598: Aug 14th 2015 at 8:28:43 AM

Did the news about Whitewater work like with Benghazi? I'm still not completely sure what the deal with Benghazi is because for the past year and a half, the coverage basically boiled down to Fox going "What about Benghazi, hmmm?????" without actually bothering to elaborate, and the other news stations barely mentioned it at all.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#98599: Aug 14th 2015 at 8:31:58 AM

[up]They keep saying that and nothing else because there is nothing else. There was an attack on one of our embassies. This has happened before and this isn't even the worst attack. That's ignoring the fact that any security issues are congress's fault since they cut funding.

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Lost in Space
#98600: Aug 14th 2015 at 8:32:13 AM

My political memory is fuzzy about Whitewater. In the end, it amounted to little more than a giant conspiracy theory — that the Clintons were murdering people to cover up their corrupt involvement in a real-estate venture. As no wrongdoing was ever proven, it turned into a perennial whipping boy of the Right, much like Benghazi: they kept insisting that if they investigated enough, they'd find the smoking gun.

Because that is what the Right does, let's not forget. Lacking substantive scandals, they latch onto everything that even vaguely smells of one in the attempt to deflect media attention from their own corruption and inability to govern. I mean, Bill Clinton got impeached for lying about sex with an intern, something that had nothing whatsoever to do with his effectiveness as a President.

Frankly, I have little doubt that Bubba was involved in a few shady deals in his time as governor of Arkansas, but without proof it will forever remain speculative.

edited 14th Aug '15 8:49:47 AM by Fighteer

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