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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#98251: Aug 10th 2015 at 3:53:42 PM

Sanders gets elected all everyone on Strom Front and Al Jazeera is going to ramble about the Zo G being controlled by Israel.

I'd love to see that.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#98252: Aug 10th 2015 at 3:56:15 PM

I'll enjoy watching my inner Antisemite squirm, and pat him on the back, saying "there, there".

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#98253: Aug 10th 2015 at 3:56:48 PM

I for one welcome our new Zionist overlord.tongue

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#98254: Aug 10th 2015 at 3:58:50 PM

I hate asking this, but how badly would our foreign policy interests suffer if we elect a Jew. I mean most Middle Eastern Rulers probably couldn't be seen in public with the guy, in less they censored the fact he was Jewish, Iran would have a propaganda field day, and though he would probably be the most pro Palestinian President to ever hold office, I highly doubt they would trust him in any negotiations with the Israeli's. I mean I am already concerned about Sanders foreign policy, but this complicates things even more.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#98255: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:02:16 PM

Why the fuck should we care what Iran thinks? They hate us anyway. It's not like they'd react any more favorably to a woman.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#98256: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:05:09 PM

Because at least they don't think their is a global conspiracy of women trying to take over the world. As for why should we care what they think, because with an actual Jewish person in the White House, their rantings about a Zionist plot would sound a lot less insane to the rest of the world. Also they could use it as an excuse to renege on the Nuclear agreement. And finally, he would almost certainly do nothing to them if they did, he apparently views the Middle East as a black hole that must be avoided at all costs.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#98257: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:07:21 PM

You act like Iran isn't actually one of the more intelligent actors in the Middle East. They're not friendly or kind by any means but they're not stupid or insane.

edited 10th Aug '15 4:07:33 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#98258: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:07:40 PM

What makes you think electing a Jew will make people take those rantings seriously? Shock, horror, we have a Jewish president now after 200+ years without one! Surely this is the end of days! If the Zionist conspiracy was as powerful as they say we probably would have had one years before. Idiots will be idiots no matter what we do.

edit: This is similar to the arguments that comrade Fuhrer Obama is actually a dictator. If he was as bad as the nuts think he is they would have been dragged into an alley and shot years ago.

edited 10th Aug '15 4:09:35 PM by Kostya

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#98259: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:09:56 PM

[up][up] And indeed, they would be fools not to take advantage of a propaganda opportunity like that to expand their influence. Especially if the Sunni state didn't immediately break off relations. I can see the propaganda right now. "Fellow Muslims of all beliefs unite!! Iran is the only nation to resist the American Zionist conspiracy!!"

[up] You can't deny that their is a lot of anti-Semitism in the "third world" especially in the Middle East, and that region is particularly obsessed with insane conspiracy theories. And you do know that I don't believe that Sanders is a puppet of some Global Zionist conspiracy nonsense right?

edited 10th Aug '15 4:12:50 PM by JackOLantern1337

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#98260: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:13:06 PM

Iran isn't terribly interested in expanding, it's interested in not being bombed by Israel for fun. That's why they're after nukes in the first place.

Which of course we can't let happen as that would really fuck up the balance of power in the area.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#98261: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:13:19 PM

Okay when you say the world will agree with them do you mean just the Middle East? The other countries know they're full of shit when it comes to this anyway.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#98262: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:14:56 PM

Comrade fuhrer?!

Well, if he helps Palestinians against their oppressors, the latter will just call him a SELF-HATING JEW.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#98263: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:18:55 PM

It was a joke. I was making fun of the people that think they're the same thing.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#98264: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:18:58 PM

From Wikipedia (because sadly Sanders' campaign page doesn't have a foreign policy section) - Bernie Sanders on Israel-Palestine.

In response to questions at a 2014 Vermont town-hall meeting, Sanders said that Israel had "overreacted" in its response to Palestinian missile attacks, but at the same time noted that Hamas was firing missiles into Israel from "populated areas". He concluded: "This is a very depressing and difficult issue. This has gone on for 60 bloody years. If you're asking me, do I have a magical solution? I don't. And you know what, I doubt very much that you do."[123] Sanders did not sign on to the Senate Resolution in support of Operation Protective Edge, a military operation Israel launched on July 8, 2014.[123] A statement published on his Senate website read in part: "Sanders believes the Israeli attacks that killed hundreds of innocent people – including many women and children – in bombings of civilian neighborhoods and UN controlled schools, hospitals, and refugee camps were disproportionate, and the widespread killing of civilians is completely unacceptable. Israel's actions took an enormous human toll, and appeared to strengthen support for Hamas and may well be sowing the seeds for even more hatred, war and destruction in future years."[124]

On March 3, 2015, Sanders was the first senator to decline to attend Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to Congress.[125] He said that the address, arranged without consultation with President Obama, improperly interfered with the President's role. He also argued that it was inappropriate for Netanyahu to use the U.S. Congress for his own political purposes so close to the Israeli legislative election.[126] After the speech, Sanders released a statement supporting the Obama administration's diplomatic effort to address Iran's nuclear program and regretting that Netanyahu's speech did not offer "any serious alternatives" to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.[126] Sanders has said, "I am not a great fan of President [sic] Netanyahu" and "I think in that region, sadly, on both sides, I don't think we have the kind of leadership that we need."[127]

In other words? The Jewish candidate is the least Zionist-hawk candidate, and the closest of any of them to supporting the Palestinians' right to live. He supports Obama's deal with Iran to prevent an Iranian nuclear weapon.

So I agree. Foreign policy with Sanders as a candidate could be FUN, and maybe even inspiring. Finally, a candidate who can criticize Israel without AIPAC being able to call him an anti-Semite! (I mean, they still will, of course. They always do. But they'll sound like idiots.)

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#98265: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:19:09 PM

[up][up][up] The current government defiantly, but the Israeli public may take more of a liking to him, especially if he makes it clear he does not seek the destruction of the state of Israel.

[up][up][up][up] Really? I heard the Iranians had quite good relations with Venezuela, and Argentina almost certainly murdered a guy to cover up Iranian involvement in a terrorist attack on Jews in that country. But yeah they would most likely be interested in expanding their influence in the Middle East. Their relatively good relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood government that ruled Egypt, along with their support for Hamas, provea they can reach across the sectarian divide if they try

[up] Hey I never said Anti Semites are logical.tongue

edited 10th Aug '15 4:21:11 PM by JackOLantern1337

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#98266: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:29:24 PM

Nah, he's still beaten out by Sanders by quite a margin. Among Republicans Trump only has like 20 something percent of the vote.
That's because the Republicans have 17 Candidates, you're not going to get huge numbers due to the sheer dilution going on.

edited 10th Aug '15 4:29:44 PM by PotatoesRock

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#98267: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:36:31 PM

I hate asking this, but how badly would our foreign policy interests suffer if we elect a Jew. I mean most Middle Eastern Rulers probably couldn't be seen in public with the guy, in less they censored the fact he was Jewish, Iran would have a propaganda field day, and though he would probably be the most pro Palestinian President to ever hold office, I highly doubt they would trust him in any negotiations with the Israeli's. I mean I am already concerned about Sanders foreign policy, but this complicates things even more.

Probably not much will change, honestly. Most of the countries that are "friendly" with us, (especially Saudi Arabia) have leaders that deal with/like us, but a population that hates and despises us. Bizarrely enough, Iran is in the opposite position where the general population rather likes us while the leadership loathes us.

As for photo thing that's a canard anyway. How eager do you think Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia was to take pictures arm-in-arm with Bush or Obama with the way it could feed the flames for Wahhabist clerics in his country?

Arab leaders will sigh, put on a show for their populations that don't like us, and probably use it as an excuse to somewhat increase the bribes... er, subsidizing and terrorist fighting aid, yeah, that's the ticket... that they get from us.

(Note, I freely admit I may be wrong, so anyone with more experience regarding the Arab world feel free to correct me if I am wrong.)

edited 10th Aug '15 4:38:40 PM by TheWanderer

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BAFFU Since: Dec, 2012
#98268: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:41:30 PM

Guess who just went up in the polls.

Clue. Its the T.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#98269: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:43:58 PM

Dunno why you are so obsessed with the guy. The man's money keeps him from burning out, but he ain't gonna win.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#98270: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:45:00 PM

Because he keeps showing up in the news.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#98271: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:47:32 PM

[up][up][up][up] Why does the Iranian populace like us? I mean Death to America seems to be their national anthem, it does seem a bit contradictory.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#98272: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:50:41 PM

Nah, the general Iran populace is pretty chill actually.

They got jeans and coffee shops and cars and everything.

Oh really when?
Cid El Cid Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
El Cid
#98273: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:52:46 PM

Re "Latino vote": According to my sources (a.k.a. talking to my friends who're on the other side of The Wall), they will or would vote for Hillary.

I believe this is because the Clintons are very popular in México. Bill's presidency was at the same time as Zedillo's, who is one of the best presidents we've had in 20 years. While Hillary was (more or less) friendly towards México during her time as Secretary of State.

Also, there are some news that she helped our government prepare our energetic reforms, so she's cool in the minds of right-wing Mexicans.

Edited because presidents are not things.

edited 10th Aug '15 4:56:56 PM by Cid

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#98274: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:52:47 PM

Pakistan screams for India's destruction but their people watch Bollywood as religiously as the Indians do.

Hating the government and the people ain't the same thing, Jack.

In more interesting news, Rick Perry seems like he's about to be the first of the GOP candidates to run aground. He has stopped paying his people in South Carolina.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#98275: Aug 10th 2015 at 4:55:28 PM

Why does the Iranian populace like us? I mean Death to America seems to be their national anthem, it does seem a bit contradictory?

The Iranian regime's anthem is Death to America. The population is doing what they do everywhere, in all periods of history: trying to get by without getting in trouble and rebelling or otherwise doing their own thing in their own way, regardless of what the regime tells them to think, feel, etc.

Countries aren't monoliths, where everyone thinks, feels, and acts the same way, or the way the government would like to tell them to act or to feel or believe. It's a thing.

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