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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#97876: Aug 6th 2015 at 11:44:55 AM

I dunno, personally I think it's gone far beyond any kind of misunderstanding and has just devolved into deliberate ignorance and lies.

Their hatred of planned parenthood and insistence of Christian principles being the foundation of this country is an idea born of malice, not ignorance.

Oh really when?
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#97877: Aug 6th 2015 at 12:04:54 PM

I don't think I've seen it on this thread, but The Obama administration rejected the petition for Edward Snowden a week ago.

What they fail to mention is that there's no way he would ever get a "jury of his peers" unless the trial happened in UC Berkeley or the MIT.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#97878: Aug 6th 2015 at 12:22:44 PM

So its only "peers" if they have the same IQ as he?

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#97879: Aug 6th 2015 at 12:37:01 PM

That's a fairly measured response, although they skip over the part that the Snowden leaks were the big motivator behind Obama's intelligence-community reforms, and who would have listened to him if he had gone through any legal channel?

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#97880: Aug 6th 2015 at 12:41:01 PM

[up][up]Nope, just if they actually know something about computers and computer security. You can't judge what you don't understand.

edited 6th Aug '15 12:41:25 PM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#97881: Aug 6th 2015 at 12:42:13 PM

That's what expert testimony, NOT the jury, is for.

I mean, do you want the finance tycoons responsible for the crash to be judged by a jury of fellow finance tycoons?

edited 6th Aug '15 12:42:40 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#97882: Aug 6th 2015 at 12:50:13 PM

[up]How would the result be any different from what happens currently? They already get away with it unless thrown under the bus.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#97883: Aug 6th 2015 at 12:55:01 PM

Just pointing out that what you're suggesting isn't how the justice system works, and it's a bad argument.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#97884: Aug 6th 2015 at 12:57:44 PM

Then again, France doesn't use the Jury system, does it?

Keep Rolling On
Know-age Since: May, 2010
#97885: Aug 6th 2015 at 12:59:21 PM

I don't get how that works. Do I need to be a gun expert, much less a top gun expert, to judge a shooting?

Also, the degree to which "some posters" here hate Republicans is just weird and sad, to be honest.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#97887: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:02:29 PM

So have we talked about the debates tonight? They start in 1 hour on Fox News.

The winners who have made primetime (the 9 o'clock debate): Donald Trump, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Chris Cristie, and John Kasich.

The losers down in the bush-league (starts in one hour): Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, George Pataki, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, Jim Gilmore, and Carly Fiorina.

So basically it's bye-bye to the bottom seven

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#97888: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:09:52 PM

I thought the second debate was after the primary one?

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Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#97889: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:12:49 PM

Why I hate Republicans as copied from the Women's Issues Tread:

Our lives suck down here far more than they have to thanks to Republican bullshit.

I have been laid off. I have had healthcare denied. I have had the interest rate on my student loans doubled. I have had my insurance canceled. My son's father can be in contempt of court status five times for not paying child support and walk free but if Aprilla had done that as a black man he would be in jail.

Other regions have the luxury of laughing and saying these guys are losers.

But we are the ones living with the consequences of these men as our leaders.

And life sucks.

Democrats are sitting on their hands doing shit. They aren't doing anything about the bullshit now. I don't believe in the marvelous democrat coming to save the day. Bitch is late.

I don't see how any minority or woman could support a party that has declared such a clear case of war against us as the Republicans have.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#97890: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:15:55 PM

Yeah that. The Republican party is directly responsible for a hell of a lot of turmoil in not only my life but the lives of others.

They're killing this nation, we can't afford to pretend otherwise.

Oh really when?
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#97891: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:18:27 PM

Speaking of debates, the debate schedule for Democrats seems to be finalized. There will be 6 total, first one will be on October 13th, and then one per month afterwards. Only four, maybe only three, will be before the Iowa caucus, which seems to favor an early frontrunner.

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#97892: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:22:36 PM

I tend to go for the whole civility thing, not because I think the Republican party as an institution deserves it, but as a cruelly calculated effort to avoid giving said party fuel for their "see? We're being oppressed!!!" mantra.

Of course, they're going to keep up said mantra either way, but how believable it is to third party individuals varies.

Moreover, part of the point of being the adult in the room is that you don't hold yourself to the other person's lower standards. So, yeah, the Republican party is wildly destructive by any reasonable metric. But just as a matter of tactics, being "RAWR I HATE TEHM" is just bad news bears.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#97893: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:23:28 PM

Not voting for them and disagreeing and even hating them is one thing.

But is demonizing to the point it seems to be one step away from shoving them into gulags is another.

I mean. Speaking realistically I would love to shove Trump and his ilk down a hole where they will never see light again but realistically and speaking more pragmatically that is not going to lead anywhere

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#97894: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:33:17 PM

The ironic thing is, aside from all his racism... some of Trump's actual economic positions are actually closer to the center than the majority of the Republican party.

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#97895: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:34:41 PM

How is it bad news to have disdain for oppressive forces?

If you don't realize the extent of the problem you cannot solve it.

And yeah, you be on the receiving end of a boot heel long enough and you're going to eventually bite back.

Why should I not be candid about how miserable these fools are making people and for no good reason.

This isn't Greece. This isn't Saudi. There is no reason why many of these oppressive and dangerous policies are being enacted except because some rich white man wanted it to his rich white sensabilities.

Personally I am sick of the tone police. How many kids need to grow up in poverty? How many people of all colors need to be shot by police? How many homeless youth? How many healthcare breakdowns? How much more shit needs to hit the fan before people stop pulling this whole, "Now now, play nice" bullshit realize you cant play nice with people who have devoted their existence to making millions off your pain?

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#97896: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:37:37 PM

US beats China at Math Olympiad And Chinese parents rejoice....the world is surely ending.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#97897: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:38:19 PM

[up][up]Sooooooo you're saying we should have a revolution? Because that's what I'm getting from this.

edited 6th Aug '15 1:38:32 PM by kkhohoho

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#97898: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:39:34 PM

Tone police are just there because we want to win elections, and maintain the veil of civility, because when things break down into a shouting match, the stupider person wins.

That being said, I'm personally pro-snark.

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#97899: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:40:43 PM

A cultural revolution.

Vote these assholes out and encourage a culture whose values don't allow for their return.

Take the problems they are causing seriously and do all in your capability to be a source of reform and understanding.

This isn't rocket science.

[up]You are a white man in a secure financial situation. You have the luxury of being civil.

I was civil at DHS. Even humble and debasing. Didn't make them give me back the healthcare they denied based on losing my paperwork and now, I cant get my back fixed. Thanks Asa Hutchinson.

edited 6th Aug '15 1:43:45 PM by Gabrael

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#97900: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:41:46 PM

And how do you get people to vote the assholes out of office? You get people on your side. And how do you do that? Well, that's a much more complicated question.


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