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#97326: Jul 29th 2015 at 3:39:03 AM

My brother will be devastated to hear Rand Paul is having trouble with his campaign. But my brother has never been the wisest of libertarians IMO.

As for the Benghazi movie, I'd be extremely interested to find out who's bankrolling and executive producing such a movie. It sounds rather contrary to the usual Hollywood stuff, and a little bit too soon. Then again, how long actually passed between Zero Dark Thirty and Osama's death? Or between 9/11 and Flight93 (or whatever that movie was)? I think the timeline between (event) and (movie of the event) has gotten smaller over the years.

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#97327: Jul 29th 2015 at 4:22:34 AM

Seems pretty apolitical on first glance

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#97328: Jul 29th 2015 at 4:36:34 AM

[up] Wow, with this and that Last ship show, Bay is really working on kissing up to the Military. Probably to make up for sucking China's dick in the last Transformers movie.

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#97329: Jul 29th 2015 at 4:44:17 AM

Did I hear Jack mention China again?

Oh really when?
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#97330: Jul 29th 2015 at 5:01:53 AM

I'm worried that, as usual, Bay's movie will have a bunch of racist elements, likely depicting the Libyans as equivalent to the terrorists, even though many Libyans showed solidarity with the people in the embassy who were attacked

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#97331: Jul 29th 2015 at 5:02:42 AM

[up][up] Yea you did, CHINA CHINA CHINA CHINA[lol][lol] But seriously if they want Bay they can have him, he's an untalented hack.

[up] Yeah I remember it causing the administration a great deal of awkwardness when the Libyans apologized for failing to protect the embassy from a terrorist attack,at the time they were still using the B.S protest thing. Seriously what was the point of that. I for one, and I think most of the American people understand that you cannot prevent all terrorist attacks,especially on outlying points like diplomatic compounds. But why did Obama cling to that dam protest thing for so long? It served no purpose, was found to be false, and made the administration look bad, though they called it a terrorist attack after a few days.

edited 29th Jul '15 5:05:58 AM by JackOLantern1337

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#97332: Jul 29th 2015 at 5:04:55 AM

Bay's always generally been sucking up to the military. Check the first Transformers. The Rock. Armageddon. He's generally pro military.

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#97333: Jul 29th 2015 at 5:09:14 AM

Aw, so Rand Paul published that video of him hacking up the tax code for nothing? Poor Paulites. Seriously, this should be yet another classic example of "as ye sow, so shall ye reap" for the Libertarians. It won't, though.

As for Michael Bay, whether you believe him to be a hack or not, he has tapped into the psyche of the movie-going public in a way that few other directors have, and has a lot of money to show for it. If that makes him some kind of failure, then heck, I'd be happy to join him in failure.

edited 29th Jul '15 5:29:55 AM by Fighteer

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#97334: Jul 29th 2015 at 5:16:22 AM

[up] Good point never mind the Chinease can't have him. If they discovered the secret of Bay they would indoctrinate the world with their dirty commie propaganda[lol]

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#97335: Jul 29th 2015 at 6:13:43 AM

A while ago, I read a body language analysis that asserted that Paul is likely to run as an independent if he loses the Republican candidacy. I'm not a fan of the man, but I don't know if I'd give him credit for being quite that dumb.

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#97336: Jul 29th 2015 at 9:19:05 AM

[up][up][up]I'm not exactly surprised, after all, the most it can mean for Libertarians is that Paul wasn't enough of a Libertarian.

And seriously, a Benghazi movie? Well, time to continue my long-running trend of not watching Michael Bay films.

edited 29th Jul '15 9:22:08 AM by Balmung

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#97337: Jul 29th 2015 at 9:31:27 AM

Paul has the same problem his dad does; their supporters are the definition of a vocal minority and any thoughts of them winning a single state is frankly a pipe dream.

Rand is more of a realist than Ron, so he does have a better shot of going somewhere, but he'll likely be blocked by the massive holes in his strategic logic, such as his attempt to appeal to minorities and the young while also believing that the Civil Rights Act went too far.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#97338: Jul 29th 2015 at 9:35:57 AM

Wonder what happens if a Libertarian tries to run as a Democrat? They'll probably get a more receptive audience there.

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#97339: Jul 29th 2015 at 9:41:32 AM

Someone socially libertarian, perhaps. The Democratic base could be willing to swallow a pro-2nd Amendment candidate (in many areas, the democrats have no choice but to field such a candidate), and of course we could buy into free loves, legal drugs, and a non-interventionist foreign policy, but the whole "people have to be free to discriminate" thing would not fly, nor would libertarian tendencies towards the gold standard and "freedom of contract" (i.e. total deregulation of business).

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#97340: Jul 29th 2015 at 9:51:28 AM

So in other words, it would require...um, no more contortions than libertarians have to go through to race for the Republican nomination.

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#97341: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:32:17 AM

Aside from foreign policy, no (especially because there's still an isolationist wing in the Republican base). See, "freedom to discriminate" is the kicker, since legally there would be no prohibitions on this or that, culturally you could stamp them out by letting polite society ostracize their practitioners.

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#97342: Jul 29th 2015 at 11:28:36 AM

@Jack

Hey, I *like* The Last Ship tongue I mean not as high culture but as quick 45 min entertainment...

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#97343: Jul 29th 2015 at 12:10:36 PM

[up] I never said it was bad, but it's a positive depiction of the Military that is probably being backed by the Pentagon, Michel Bay may be sucking the Pentagon's dick, but he can give them a really good blow job[lol]

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#97344: Jul 29th 2015 at 12:41:49 PM

Yeah, not exactly a secret that Bay gets some serious support from the Military Industrial Complex. That said, how skewed the movie is probably depends largely on whether the book it's based on is skewed or even-handed... or possibly just not concerned with the attack itself, but the 6 soldiers it follows.

As for the protest angle, a big part of that, as I recall, was that the attack happened while a legitimate protest happened outside the embassy, where the terrorists that committed the attack took advantage of security forces already having their hands full.

If not for the video, on-site security may have been more ready to counter, or intercepted them prior to launching the attack, rather than getting caught with their pants down and having considerable trouble discerning who may have been there in legitimate protest and who was just rebel-rallying to give the attackers time to set up.

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#97345: Jul 29th 2015 at 12:48:29 PM

According to wikipedia the book is just telling that the 6 did, and not handling all the political aspects of it at all.

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#97346: Jul 29th 2015 at 12:56:08 PM

[up]

In short, it's right up Bay's preferred alley of "Behold my spunking death-cock" fare, from the sound of things.

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#97347: Jul 29th 2015 at 12:59:46 PM

Maybe, but eh....could be worse?

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#97348: Jul 29th 2015 at 1:04:25 PM

Honestly it's something people not only the kool-aid should discourage talking about. Given that the Congressional Committee on this has made Benghazi the longest-lasting congressional investigation in history, we're getting more than enough noise about it.

Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#97349: Jul 29th 2015 at 2:47:07 PM

On Bay and the Benghazi movie:

Even if you relegate the story to a compact narrative about the combatants involved on both sides, you're inevitably making a political narrative. Conscious efforts to make a story apolitical are, by their nature, a priori political devices. I understand why people keep saying that, but I strongly disagree with the sentiment just like I did when it was applied to Zero Dark Thirty and Black Hawk Down.

As for Bay himself, it's fun to hate on him, but his film making techniques are impressive and perfectly respectable. There's a reason why the Transformers movie franchise is taught in film schools.

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#97350: Jul 29th 2015 at 2:51:39 PM

[up]

While his technical skills may be impressive, there's no debating that he prefers mindless pablum and Stuff Blowing Up, the latter by his own admission. So while he's a good pick for summer blockbusters, his last attempt (albeit via Producer, rather than Directing) at a thought-provoking concept was... shall we say "mixed".

edited 29th Jul '15 2:54:43 PM by ironballs16

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