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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#97051: Jul 24th 2015 at 2:47:05 PM

We don't favor anyone. At best I'll vote Graham as an FU to Trump, Walker, Cruz, and their ilk. Then vote Hillary Clinton in the national election.

Some interesting poll questions from Fox Nation, most of them generally had a little over 2000 participants. Gives you an idea of what's on their minds:

Do you think it outrageous that President Obama went to the U.N. first to endorse his nuclear deal with Iran before hearing from the United States Congress? (96% Yes)

Does this administration work for everyone except the American people? (96% Yes)

Donald Trump says the federal government should not be making a profit from college student loans. Do you agree? (92% Yes, 6% No, 2% Don't Know)

Can the Republicans win the presidency if Donald Trump runs as a third party candidate? (82% No)

Would you vote for Donald Trump if he ran as a third party candidate? (52% Yes, 36% No, 12% Maybe)

Should Donald Trump apologize for his remarks about Sen. John Mc Cain? (35% Yes, 65% No)

That last one, despite not being the oldest of all the poll questions, had like five times as many voters.

edited 24th Jul '15 2:51:41 PM by Parable

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#97052: Jul 24th 2015 at 2:51:18 PM

I don't like how much people seem to like Trump, that they're fine with his remarks about McCain say bad bad things about the voter base.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#97053: Jul 24th 2015 at 2:52:58 PM

Like the wingnut GOP ever cared about veterans. They view them the same way they view babies. They pretend to care about them for cheap political points but flat out refuse to actually help them.

edited 24th Jul '15 2:53:48 PM by Kostya

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#97054: Jul 24th 2015 at 3:11:07 PM

The nuttiest of the bunch openly hate on veterans for their part in the "socialist" Veterans Health Administration.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#97056: Jul 24th 2015 at 3:18:09 PM

Somehow I completely glossed over those questions. The first two are what the fuck, I agree with them on the third but they probably want to ax them entirely instead of reforming the system, and I'm confused by the next two. They agree that the Republicans won't win if Trump runs third party but half say they'll vote for him anyway? What?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#97057: Jul 24th 2015 at 3:20:14 PM

They don't care about Republicans winning, they care about white purity. Which is something Trump will do his best to ensure.

Oh really when?
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#97058: Jul 24th 2015 at 3:23:57 PM

2000 participants isnt really that much, though.

It just means theres 2000 people with too much free time on their hands.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#97059: Jul 24th 2015 at 3:37:32 PM

Well, the nuttiest hate the veterans because they are The Beast, but that's splitting hairs.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#97060: Jul 24th 2015 at 6:47:01 PM

So, I got this list of Obama's "accomplisments" from my mom on Facebook today. I was trying to convince her Obama had some good accomplishments, but she wasn't having any of it. Luckily, I don't have family who will hate me because I don't believe the same they do, but it gets annoying sometimes. She also sent it while I was at work (not intentionally) so I can't do any research right now. Can anyone help me here?

Quit trashing Obama's accomplishments. He has done more than any other President before him. Here is a list of his impressive accomplishments:

1. First President to be photographed smoking a joint.
2. First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
3. First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
4. First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.
5. First President to violate the War Powers Act.
6. First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
7. First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
8. First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.
9. First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
10. First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
11. First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.
12. First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
13. First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.
14. First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.
15. First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.
16. First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
17. First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
18. First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.
19. First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.
20. First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
21. First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
22. First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).
23. First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri Corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
24. First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.
25. First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.
26. First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.
27. First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.
28. First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.
29. First President to go on multiple "global apology tours" and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.
30. First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers.
31. First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
32. First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.
33. First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.
34. First President to repeat the Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.
35. First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).
36. First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they "volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences."
37. Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion.

I feel much better now. I had been under the impression he hadn't been doing ANYTHING... Such an accomplished individual... in the eyes of the ignorant maybe.!.

Fixed the wall of text. Sorry.

edited 24th Jul '15 6:59:00 PM by tclittle

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#97061: Jul 24th 2015 at 6:57:29 PM

I don't believe the first one. There's gotta be pictures of Bill smoking weed.

There just has to be.

And at the risk of sounding rude just don't bother. The people who draw up these lists live in their own fantasy world, facts will not deter them. Just ignore them and move on.

edited 24th Jul '15 6:58:14 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#97062: Jul 24th 2015 at 7:00:22 PM

I take it none of those things had a citation associated with them. Just ignore those people. Most of them are deaf to reason.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#97063: Jul 24th 2015 at 7:36:36 PM

You should introduce whoever wrote that list to some real radical leftists.

Hell, have deathpigeon make some links to show your mom. If those people are going to call anyone a radical, let it be the real radicals.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#97064: Jul 24th 2015 at 11:26:09 PM

[up][up][up] To be fair, the Nobel Peace Prize one is dead on.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#97066: Jul 25th 2015 at 1:56:41 AM

Introducing them to deathy would be fun. He's a real lefty anarchist not the Social Democrat you Americans always confuse them with [lol]

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#97067: Jul 25th 2015 at 1:59:12 AM

Seems like a petty thing to get mad over though, considering it's not like anyone can put their own name into the peace prize voting pool. Was there ever an explanation given for that, by the way?

Anyway, most of that list is either clearly not sourced (and I would suggest asking sources for things that sound particularly outlandish) or are things he did that liberals consider to be good things and are just the usual extremist spin on things he actually did. In which case it's going to be hard to argue with them because they clearly think it's a bad thing.

For fuck's sake, the birther thing is on that list, so it's clearly biased from that alone.

edited 25th Jul '15 2:00:30 AM by AceofSpades

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#97068: Jul 25th 2015 at 2:11:12 AM

There's also a trivially false "America is a Christian Nation WAS a Christian Nation until that Commie-Nazi-Liebural-Athiest-Muslim declared war on Christians" bit. Trivially false, as the United States is not, and has never been a "Christian nation". Don't believe me? Take it up with the Founding Fathers who, in addition to not actually mentioning any specific religion in the Constitution, Declaration of Independence (though this does contain mention of a monotheistic god and creator, it does not specify which), or Articles of Confederation, signed the Treaty of Tripoli and specifically included article 11, the full text of which follows:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Also, the vacation and golf facts are false, as Dubya took far more vacation, including at least 65 trips to the family retreat totalling at least 407 days and spending more time over more trips (more than three times as many trips and over four times as many days) to Camp David even if that's technically exempted from "vacation". Woodrow Wilson played more than 1,200 rounds in his 8 years, which almost certainly beats Obama unless that was REALLY backloaded. Also, Eisenhower played more than 800 rounds while in office and JFK loved the game.

edited 25th Jul '15 2:22:55 AM by Balmung

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#97069: Jul 25th 2015 at 6:00:00 AM

Considering that Jefferson was about as openly deist as he could get away with I would say his concept of the Creator was different from that of people trying to use his statement as "proof" that the United States is a Christian nation. Not to mention that the Declaration was just that, a declaration of intent, not a government document.

edited 25th Jul '15 6:00:49 AM by tricksterson

Trump delenda est
TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#97070: Jul 25th 2015 at 6:02:39 AM

[up][up] Given Wilson's breakdown in the latter part of his presidency, it being front-loaded is much more likely.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#97071: Jul 25th 2015 at 6:24:18 AM

The explanation I got regarding Trump from someone that supports him is that he speaks what's on his mind, and damned be the consequences. I had to agree with that, but pointed out that he's been making a lot of blanket statements.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
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Lost in Space
#97072: Jul 25th 2015 at 6:34:05 AM

Naked, stream-of-consciousness honesty is a wee tad of a liability in politics. Just sayin'.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#97073: Jul 25th 2015 at 6:34:16 AM

Annoyed over an editorial, Trump bans an Iowa newpaper from his Iowa events.

The Des Moines Register, Iowa's largest newspaper, reported early Friday evening that it has been barred from attending a Donald Trump campaign event in Iowa after the paper's editorial board called on him to drop out of the race. A Register article said Friday that the Trump campaign had informed the paper that its reporters were not welcome at The Make America Great Again Rally and Family Picnic on Saturday in Oskaloosa. The campaign denied them press credentials, reporters said. "We are disappointed that Mr. Trump's campaign has taken the unusual step of excluding Register reporters from covering his campaign event in Iowa on Saturday because he was displeased with our editorial," Register editor Amalie Nash said in a statement to her paper. "We hope Mr. Trump's campaign will revisit its decision instead of making punitive decisions because we wrote something critical of him."

Of course, he's also still battling lawsuits over his "university."

Trump is involved in two lawsuits brought by former students and one by the New York Attorney General. The Donald is expected to be questioned under oath next month in a class action lawsuit brought by Art Cohen, who spent more than $36,000 on the Trump programs. Cohen's suit alleges that Trump University failed to deliver on its promises to provide a premier education. Trump University, launched in 2005, promised to teach students the mogul's investing techniques to get rich on real estate. But the suit claims the teachers were not professors hand-picked by Trump as advertised, but rather independent contractors paid commissions for sales of the seminars and products.

The suit also alleges that the University would "upsell" students in its initial free seminar to buy a $1,495 "one year apprenticeship" — which was effectively a three-day seminar. Then if they bought that, the teachers would upsell them again to buy "mentorships" at a cost of $10,000 and up. The most expensive, the Gold Elite program, cost $35,000. "Even then, after investing nearly $36,500, students still do not receive Defendant Trump's 'secrets' they were promised, but are constantly subjected to upsell of additional Live Events, products and books," the Cohen suit said.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#97074: Jul 25th 2015 at 6:34:22 AM

There's also a trivially false "America is a Christian Nation WAS a Christian Nation until that Commie-Nazi-Liebural-Athiest-Muslim declared war on Christians" bit.

Yeah, here's a few quotes you can throw out whenever someone makes the argument that the US is or ever was intended to be a "Christian nation".

If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”

- George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia (1789)

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.

- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr (1787)

In regard to religion, mutual toleration in the different professions thereof is what all good and candid minds in all ages have ever practiced, and both by precept and example inculcated on mankind.

- Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists (1771)

Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. Take away the law-establishment, and every religion re-assumes its original benignity.

- Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man (1791)

Congress has no power to make any religious establishments.

- Roger Sherman, Congress (1789)

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.

- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack (1758)

I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people build a wall of separation between Church & State.

- Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Danbury Baptists (1802)

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.

- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

(If you want to read Paine's whole pamphlet, where he expresses his atheistic beliefs, click here)

Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.

- Thomas Jefferson, A Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom (1779)

Christian establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects.

- James Madison, letter to William Bradford, Jr. (1774)

During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.

- James Madison, General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia (1785)

edited 25th Jul '15 6:35:09 AM by TheWanderer

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#97075: Jul 25th 2015 at 7:06:04 AM

Honestly I don't think trying to convince them otherwise is worth the time unless they don't seem to be a hardcore Republican.


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