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MysteryMan23 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#96626: Jul 15th 2015 at 9:13:19 AM

There should be a video analyzing that Planned Parenthood video and exposing the manipulation in it. Any volunteers?

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#96627: Jul 15th 2015 at 9:22:07 AM

There has already been a flood of articles and other media breaking down how crappy that was taken advantage of.

Take your pick.

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
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#96628: Jul 15th 2015 at 9:33:43 AM

Apparently the organization responsible for the video released the full unedited version. The edited version splices together parts where the PP employee talks about transportation fees and reimbursement for them with the clips about tissue harvesting and makes it look like she's talking about buying/selling tissue instead.

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#96629: Jul 15th 2015 at 9:43:09 AM

So...the people who released the video was a bunch of lying liars who lies. Good to know.

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#96630: Jul 15th 2015 at 10:21:56 AM

That can generally be assumed in such situations. Remember that integrity is completely superfluous to their operating agenda, which is to take down abortion providers at any cost. If blatant lies can be made to serve that end, then that's what they'll do. They are working in service of a "higher goal".

edited 15th Jul '15 10:26:48 AM by Fighteer

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AngelicBraeburn from Eccentric California Since: Jan, 2015
#96631: Jul 15th 2015 at 10:41:54 AM

Iran and a group of six nations led by the United States reached a historic deal to significantly limit Iran’s nuclear ability for more than a decade in return for lifting international oil and financial sanctions.

American officials said the core of the agreement, secured in 18 consecutive days of talks here, lies in the restrictions on the amount of nuclear fuel that Iran can keep for the next 15 years. The current stockpile of low enriched uranium will be reduced by 98 percent, most likely by shipping much of it to Russia.

That limit, combined with a two-thirds reduction in the number of its centrifuges, would extend to a year the amount of time it would take Iran to make enough material for a single bomb should it abandon the accord and race for a weapon — what officials call “breakout time.” By comparison, analysts say Iran now has a breakout time of two to three months. Continue reading the main story

But American officials also acknowledged that after the first decade, the breakout time would begin to shrink. It was unclear how rapidly, because Iran’s longer-term plans to expand its enrichment capability will be kept confidential.

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Lost in Space
#96632: Jul 15th 2015 at 10:44:38 AM

It's better than nothing... certainly better than going to war, not that Israel will acknowledge that.

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#96634: Jul 15th 2015 at 10:47:04 AM

How long can we plausibly keep this nuclear non proliferation thing up for? A decade seems fine to me, honestly.

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Lost in Space
#96635: Jul 15th 2015 at 10:49:12 AM

Are we accepting that Iran will get nukes eventually? I'm not sure what geopolitical advantages that offers. As much as I'm not into invading foreign countries on a whim (*cough* Iraq), Iran does represent a threat to regional stability, all the more so if they are able to threaten nuclear attack on any nation that dares gainsay them.

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Know-age Since: May, 2010
#96636: Jul 15th 2015 at 10:55:38 AM

I'd rather they didn't, but we can deal with that in 10 years, under president George III or whatever.

What I mean is, nukes are in some sense 2040s tech. Everyone who fears invasion by another country has some incentive to build them. If the U.S. isn't going to be acting as World Police, how long can we realistically keep them contained to only a few of the more powerful and stable countries?

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#96637: Jul 15th 2015 at 11:01:05 AM

It's mostly the non-proliferation treaty and the fact that most countries don't want the bother. Plenty of countries have tried over the years, aside from the one who succeeded and was convinced to stand down (South Africa), programs were toyed with in Iraq, Syria, Libya, and allegedly Brazil and Argentina. Nukes are by no means easy to make, but it's mostly a question of infrastructure. Once you have the reactors (and many of them do, thanks to legal exchange of nuclear tech for civilian purposes), then it's only a matter of time to figure out the switches and wires to make your nuclear material go boom.

Hell, the reactors Japan uses produce weapons-grade plutonium as a waste product. Japan's sitting on mountains of the stuff, but simply chooses not to.

And that international pressure will keep, although the management regime might change as we move away from US hegemony further into the century.

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#96638: Jul 15th 2015 at 11:05:21 AM

We can keep Iran away from a nuke indefinably if we stop giving it a reason to want one.

thing is as long as Iran has a reasonable fear of the US one day deciding to wreck shit and instate an oppressive dictatorship, Iran is going to want either a nuke or the ability to get a nuke quickly.

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#96639: Jul 15th 2015 at 11:05:55 AM

Most advanced countries have a powerful, nuclear armed, ally protecting them from invasion. You can bet the Ukrainians are wishing they hadn't given theirs up after the cold war though.

[up] Agreed.

edited 15th Jul '15 11:06:32 AM by Know-age

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#96640: Jul 15th 2015 at 11:10:01 AM

[up][up]Iran has plenty of regional enemies, one of which happens to be nuclear armed.

Even if the US and Iran do reconcile they still have no shortage of reasons to desire nuclear weapons, especially since one of those reasons (the nuclear armed one at that) is doing it's best to undermine the negotiations.

MysteryMan23 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#96641: Jul 15th 2015 at 1:14:51 PM

About the Planned Parenthood thing. I was thinking there might actually a chance it could backfire. I mean, we know that the video is full of lies. What would happen if the media found out?

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#96642: Jul 15th 2015 at 1:15:22 PM

Depends on which media

Oh really when?
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Lost in Space
#96643: Jul 15th 2015 at 1:21:41 PM

We know that Fox News doesn't give a damn about the truth when it comes to their pet agendas, and that its viewers will believe anything on the network that is critical of Democrats, liberals, or government. The other networks might report honestly, though.

edited 15th Jul '15 1:27:26 PM by Fighteer

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#96644: Jul 15th 2015 at 1:42:58 PM

[up][up]

And, of course, the barrier of "Breaking News!" vs. the correction found on page 19.

For example, the furor over the "doctored" Global Warming emails. Even the guy hired by the Koch brothers concluded that it was overhyped and the research (and findings) was completely valid. But aside from a few liberal news groups (e.g. The Daily Show), no one reported jack squat.

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#96645: Jul 15th 2015 at 2:00:30 PM

Donald Trump is no Conservative

There is an Ivy League grad who has spent most of his life in Manhattan, where he is chauffeured around in limousines. He frequently brags to strangers about his massive personal wealth. In public statements, he has advocated government healthcare, a woman’s right to an abortion, an assault weapons ban, and paying off the national debt by forcing rich people to forfeit 14.25 percent of their total wealth. When the man married his third wife, he invited Bill and Hillary Clinton to the wedding, and he has given many thousands to their political campaigns and their foundation. He’s donated many thousands more that helped elect Democrats to the Senate and the House. And George W. Bush was “maybe the worst president in the history of this country,” the man said in 2008. “He was so incompetent, so bad, so evil.”

On paper, this is not someone you’d expect to excel in the 2016 Republican Party primary. But Donald Trump is excelling. Thanks to his celebrity, a few epic flip-flops, and his willingness to pander to the most xenophobic element of the GOP’s base, the real-estate developer and reality-TV star is polling near the top of the field. While he is unlikely to win the nomination, he may well appear at the presidential debates and continue to tarnish the GOP brand in the eyes of Hispanic voters.

Williamson also astutely observed that Trump “brings out two of the Right’s worst tendencies: the inability to distinguish between entertainers and political leaders, and the habit of treating politics as an exercise in emotional vindication.”

What's that saying? "Conservatives aren't stupid, but stupid people are conservative"? I think we're seeing the result of so many stupid people being conservative.

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United Earth
#96646: Jul 15th 2015 at 2:03:50 PM

No, no, it's definitely calling connies stupid.

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#96647: Jul 15th 2015 at 2:06:03 PM

@Le Garcon and Fighteer: Indeed. Even if it were definitively proven to be a fake, Fox News would never stop praising it as a true representation of the pro-choice side (or as they'd probably call it [if they don't already], "pro-death").

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edited 15th Jul '15 2:11:24 PM by TrashJack

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#96649: Jul 15th 2015 at 3:30:15 PM

Fah, this still means little. Red meat for the lifers.

LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Party Crasher
#96650: Jul 15th 2015 at 3:38:02 PM

What's funny is that these people keep yapping about unborn kids, but once they are born they'll gladly deny them the right to live decently note  by wanting to cut them off welfare.

edited 15th Jul '15 3:38:21 PM by LogoP

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