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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96601: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:29:10 PM

Is that right? Well if that's the case I guess it's more believable although six of them happening in SC seems like a lot.

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#96603: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:31:17 PM

Okay... (cracks knuckles)

Waco, or the burning of the Branch Dravidian compound was not a terrorist attack. It was a botched situation the FBI and ATF to this day are still regretting.

The terrorist attacks of the nineties were the OKC, Embassy, the first Trade Center bombing, and maybe the USS Cole. If the Cole wasn't exactly in the nineties, it was close enough.

Oh, we had the Unabomber and several mass shootings from the Bell Tower to Jonesboro.

OKC was by Tim Mc Veigh who was so cookoo that even the Christian Identity Movement wouldn't shelter him. His mentor was the hitman hired by the CSA to take out then Attorney General (now governor) Asa Hutchenson. Needless to say he failed and was caught. His arrest anniversary was the date chosen by Mc Veigh for the OKC bombing date.

I say this because after the CSA standoff, which was far more dangerous and potentially deadly but ended without bloodshed, the ATF got a little stupid. When they were doing the CSA standoff, they allowed religious studies and psych experts in there to help guide it down.

No such experts were consulted for Waco. Ths Branch Dravidians also were not militant or preparing for another world/civil war. The CSA had a training ground that rivals some of ISIS' quality and were armed far better than the average SWAT team.

This is my field so I can geek out on this all day, but short answer, Waco wasnt terrorism or rebellion. That was just a disaster in management.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#96604: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:35:20 PM

[up][up] ...oh dear, this is going to be ugly.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96605: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:35:56 PM

Why would you even sell those?

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#96606: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:44:47 PM

Being ruled accidental doesn't mean it was really an accident though.
Catching fire from a lightning strike during a thunderstorm is an accident. Unless you're saying that God's backing up the racists. The last article I saw about it, three of the church fires were definitely arson - two of them in suspected hate crimes, one was burglarized at the same time it was set on fire, and one more than was still undetermined.
Is the accident thing the FBI's official ruling?
My understanding from what I saw in the news, yes.
If anything we'll get more Cliven Bundy incidents
The higher the number of incidents like that, the greater the likelihood that someone (and probably someone on the inside, rather than the feds) is going to open fire, and turn it into another Waco or Ruby Ridge. And some of those people talk as though they are looking for an excuse to get into a shoot-out with the feds, because 1) they think they're sure to be victorious, because freedom and 'murica or something, and 2) they think it'll prove their point about how the evil gub'mint is full of commie socialists who are going to kick you out of your home and give it to Mexicans and force you into gay marriage.
If the Cole wasn't exactly in the nineties, it was close enough.
October 2000, actually.
Ths Branch Dravidians also were not militant or preparing for another world/civil war.
They weren't? I thought they were militant, just not to the extent of some of the other groups.
Why would you even sell those?
Where would you even sell those? Is there some massive secret underground market for fetal organs that's gone undetected for the last forty years?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
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Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#96607: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:44:59 PM

Well there goes any prospect of safe abortions in America for the next several years. Whether it's true or not, and I have serious doubts it is, this is perfect fuel for every wingnut evangelical out there.

Planned Parenthood is gonna get gutted and women are gonna have it even worse.

edited 14th Jul '15 7:45:53 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#96608: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:45:47 PM

Any evidence that this was faked, like that thing that happened to ACORN, or some of the other Planed Parenthood frame ups. As to why they would do it well They had to make up the money they spent on their 8 billion dollar Abortion Plex somehow[lol]

Edit: Why would someone want to buy fetus parts? Medical Schools needing samples for students? Weird Chinese medicine? Creepy Billionaire sexual fetish? Why the hell would somebody want to buy this stuff.

edited 14th Jul '15 7:49:48 PM by JackOLantern1337

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#96609: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:48:44 PM

It doesn't matter if it's faked or not. It's out there and they've already got a big name like Cruz on it.

It's enough.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96610: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:49:03 PM

Blueninja: Well that's obviously an accident. That doesn't mean the other ones ruled accidental were really accidents. Now if the FBI's official ruling is that most of them were accidents then I'll accept that.

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Collector Of Fine Oddities
#96611: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:50:05 PM

Part of me wonders if the employee may have seen the undercovers as a couple of easy marks to scam.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#96612: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:51:18 PM

[up][up][up] Cruz is widely considered an idiot, nobody in the higher levels of government will listen to him. If anything this will spark a groundswell of support for Planed parenthood and abortion in general,if only to spite the guy who shut down the government.

edited 14th Jul '15 7:51:27 PM by JackOLantern1337

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96613: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:54:04 PM

[up]Cruz is not considered an idiot among Republicans.

edited 14th Jul '15 7:54:30 PM by Kostya

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Confirmed Doomer
#96614: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:54:18 PM

[up][up] It doesn't matter what the higher levels of government think when there's an army of anti-choice idiots who will just eat this nonsense up.

edited 14th Jul '15 7:54:51 PM by TrashJack

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#96615: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:57:13 PM

[up][up] Some elements of the Republicans maybe, but most I know hate him more than the Democrats do, they blame him for making the party look bad.

[up] The higher levels of government are the ones with the power to shut Planed Parenthood down, well them and the state governments. An angry mob of pro lifers won't change anything, they face down those everyday.

Edit: Also what would you call the position of someone who believes that a women should have the right to an abortion, but at some point in fetal development that right ends, like say around the middle of the second trimester. Basically you trust the medical community to say when the fetus is considered to be alive. Would this position be considered pro life or pro choice.

edited 14th Jul '15 7:59:30 PM by JackOLantern1337

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Lost in Space
#96616: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:02:45 PM

From a literal reading of the positions, any claim that a woman loses the right to abort a fetus at any point during the pregnancy would be "pro-life", even given that there has been a certain amount of legislative give and take when it comes to third-trimester abortions when the fetus is technically viable (with incredibly expensive life support and even then likely leading a life saddled with many developmental problems...).

The "pro-choice" position is that a woman has the ultimate decision whether her body is to be used to carry a fetus; the personhood and/or viability of the fetus is irrelevant — not in a moral sense, but to that legal position. Roughly, while the fetus may be a potential human life, the woman's claim is superior.

edited 14th Jul '15 8:11:48 PM by Fighteer

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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#96617: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:10:45 PM

what would you call the position of someone who believes that a women should have the right to an abortion, but at some point in fetal development that right ends, like say around the middle of the second trimester.
Personally, "an idiot." The pro-life side has worked very hard to ensure that there is no middle ground on the issue.

Being out to sea, I can't load the video. Am I the only person thinking this just sounds way too obliviously puppy-kicking evil?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
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Lost in Space
#96618: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:11:18 PM

I refuse to believe the Planned Parenthood thing without better evidence than someone's likely staged video.

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Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#96619: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:12:22 PM

Grim business is still business, like how farmers or vets will talk dispassionately about killing cute animals.

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More like giant cherries
#96620: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:13:42 PM

Of course, there's a big spectrum from abortion being legal under all circumstances, to banning the pill.

Anyway, ACORN got shutdown by a faked video, so I don't see why it matters if this one is real.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#96621: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:23:22 PM

This whole thing sounds like a hoax. You guys beat me to the ACORN comparison.

Also the whole thing about banning the morning after pill is stupid. First off, the egg isn't fertilized for several hours to several days after inter-course . It's not an abortion, it's a chemical form of contraception . Ignoring the fact that 70% of all zygotes are aborted automatically

edited 14th Jul '15 8:25:33 PM by Xopher001

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#96622: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:23:37 PM

[up][up] It's at times like this that I have to start telling myself not to stoop to their level.

edited 14th Jul '15 8:23:53 PM by TrashJack

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96623: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:24:27 PM

Does it really matter if it's a hoax? Acorn was and they were shut down. Obama's birth certificate was a hoax and they still bitch about that. They're reality impaired.

edited 14th Jul '15 8:24:38 PM by Kostya

AngelicBraeburn from Eccentric California Since: Jan, 2015
#96624: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:33:09 PM

Planned Parenthood is firing back at the anti-abortion group that released an undercover video exposé, arguing it “grossly mischaracterizes” the issue of fetal tissue donations.

The group’s second statement on the video, which was provided to The Hill on Tuesday, confirms it is Deborah Nucatela, senior director of medical services, who appears in the video, but fiercely disputes that the conversation was about selling body parts.

“Deborah Nucatela was speculating on the range of reimbursement that patients can receive after stating they wish to donate any tissue after a procedure,” the organization wrote in a report prepared by its PR firm.

“The promotional video mischaracterizing Planned Parenthood’s mission and services is made by a long time anti-abortion activist that has used deceptive and unethical video editing, and that has created a fake medical website as well as a fake human tissue website that purports to provide services to stem cell researchers,” the group wrote in a two-page statement.

edited 14th Jul '15 8:34:07 PM by AngelicBraeburn

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Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#96625: Jul 14th 2015 at 8:39:37 PM

At most it will just lead to Nuctella's resignation, i think.

I mean, the anti-choice crowd is firing on all cylinders against planned parenthood anyway, what could this change?


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