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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Okay... (cracks knuckles)
Waco, or the burning of the Branch Dravidian compound was not a terrorist attack. It was a botched situation the FBI and ATF to this day are still regretting.
The terrorist attacks of the nineties were the OKC, Embassy, the first Trade Center bombing, and maybe the USS Cole. If the Cole wasn't exactly in the nineties, it was close enough.
Oh, we had the Unabomber and several mass shootings from the Bell Tower to Jonesboro.
OKC was by Tim Mc Veigh who was so cookoo that even the Christian Identity Movement wouldn't shelter him. His mentor was the hitman hired by the CSA to take out then Attorney General (now governor) Asa Hutchenson. Needless to say he failed and was caught. His arrest anniversary was the date chosen by Mc Veigh for the OKC bombing date.
I say this because after the CSA standoff, which was far more dangerous and potentially deadly but ended without bloodshed, the ATF got a little stupid. When they were doing the CSA standoff, they allowed religious studies and psych experts in there to help guide it down.
No such experts were consulted for Waco. Ths Branch Dravidians also were not militant or preparing for another world/civil war. The CSA had a training ground that rivals some of ISIS' quality and were armed far better than the average SWAT team.
This is my field so I can geek out on this all day, but short answer, Waco wasnt terrorism or rebellion. That was just a disaster in management.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - AszurWell there goes any prospect of safe abortions in America for the next several years. Whether it's true or not, and I have serious doubts it is, this is perfect fuel for every wingnut evangelical out there.
Planned Parenthood is gonna get gutted and women are gonna have it even worse.
edited 14th Jul '15 7:45:53 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?Any evidence that this was faked, like that thing that happened to ACORN, or some of the other Planed Parenthood frame ups. As to why they would do it well They had to make up the money they spent on their 8 billion dollar Abortion Plex
somehow
Edit: Why would someone want to buy fetus parts? Medical Schools needing samples for students? Weird Chinese medicine? Creepy Billionaire sexual fetish? Why the hell would somebody want to buy this stuff.
edited 14th Jul '15 7:49:48 PM by JackOLantern1337
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Cruz is widely considered an idiot, nobody in the higher levels of government will listen to him. If anything this will spark a groundswell of support for Planed parenthood and abortion in general,if only to spite the guy who shut down the government.
edited 14th Jul '15 7:51:27 PM by JackOLantern1337
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It doesn't matter what the higher levels of government think when there's an army of anti-choice idiots who will just eat this nonsense up.
edited 14th Jul '15 7:54:51 PM by TrashJack
"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary![]()
Some elements of the Republicans maybe, but most I know hate him more than the Democrats do, they blame him for making the party look bad.
The higher levels of government are the ones with the power to shut Planed Parenthood down, well them and the state governments. An angry mob of pro lifers won't change anything, they face down those everyday.
Edit: Also what would you call the position of someone who believes that a women should have the right to an abortion, but at some point in fetal development that right ends, like say around the middle of the second trimester. Basically you trust the medical community to say when the fetus is considered to be alive. Would this position be considered pro life or pro choice.
edited 14th Jul '15 7:59:30 PM by JackOLantern1337
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.From a literal reading of the positions, any claim that a woman loses the right to abort a fetus at any point during the pregnancy would be "pro-life", even given that there has been a certain amount of legislative give and take when it comes to third-trimester abortions when the fetus is technically viable (with incredibly expensive life support and even then likely leading a life saddled with many developmental problems...).
The "pro-choice" position is that a woman has the ultimate decision whether her body is to be used to carry a fetus; the personhood and/or viability of the fetus is irrelevant — not in a moral sense, but to that legal position. Roughly, while the fetus may be a potential human life, the woman's claim is superior.
edited 14th Jul '15 8:11:48 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Being out to sea, I can't load the video. Am I the only person thinking this just sounds way too obliviously puppy-kicking evil?
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - SilaswI refuse to believe the Planned Parenthood thing without better evidence than someone's likely staged video.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Of course, there's a big spectrum from abortion being legal under all circumstances, to banning the pill.
Anyway, ACORN got shutdown by a faked video, so I don't see why it matters if this one is real.
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayThis whole thing sounds like a hoax. You guys beat me to the ACORN comparison.
Also the whole thing about banning the morning after pill is stupid. First off, the egg isn't fertilized for several hours to several days after inter-course . It's not an abortion, it's a chemical form of contraception . Ignoring the fact that 70% of all zygotes are aborted automatically
edited 14th Jul '15 8:25:33 PM by Xopher001
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It's at times like this that I have to start telling myself not to stoop to their level.
edited 14th Jul '15 8:23:53 PM by TrashJack
"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary“Deborah Nucatela was speculating on the range of reimbursement that patients can receive after stating they wish to donate any tissue after a procedure,” the organization wrote in a report prepared by its PR firm.
“The promotional video mischaracterizing Planned Parenthood’s mission and services is made by a long time anti-abortion activist that has used deceptive and unethical video editing, and that has created a fake medical website as well as a fake human tissue website that purports to provide services to stem cell researchers,” the group wrote in a two-page statement.
edited 14th Jul '15 8:34:07 PM by AngelicBraeburn
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Is that right? Well if that's the case I guess it's more believable although six of them happening in SC seems like a lot.