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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96576: Jul 14th 2015 at 4:11:44 PM

@Trump is a Democrat plant: The Democrats must have a ridiculous long game going on. Trump's been a raging idiot for years. Of course they somehow sent a letter to Hawaii telling them to announce Obama's birth years ago so I guess this isn't outside the realm of possibility.tongue

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#96577: Jul 14th 2015 at 4:32:25 PM

There must not be much news going on in US politics if we're already at conspiracies and speculative futures...

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#96578: Jul 14th 2015 at 4:32:50 PM

We got like 6 more months before anything happens. We're really bored.

Oh really when?
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#96579: Jul 14th 2015 at 5:37:26 PM

Plus, the media circus right now is focusing on the Republicans trying to out-crazy each other.

Once the Democratic debates start up, we'll see Sanders trying to force Hillary to co-opt his positions, which will be more interesting from a policy perspective.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#96580: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:18:28 PM

We could see a large scale flare up of right wing violence, similar to what the left did in the Sixties. In which case it will be a few small shootouts, the occasional murder, mostly killing each other, and their only real accomplishment will be making everyone hate not only them, but their more moderate compatriots, resulting in the politics of the country shifting.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#96581: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:19:07 PM

Yay?

Oh really when?
Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#96582: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:25:04 PM

As someone who lives in a place most likely to erupt in that, I seriously doubt it.

And even if we did, no way the media would call it for what it was.

Most of these people who talk the loudest and are the most get er done bullshit are blatant cowards who will only puff up if they have an audience.

It is the George Zimmermann's of the world you need to look out for.

And the cops.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#96583: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:26:42 PM

[up][up] I guess in the long term you could give a very bittersweet yay. If you want to see the country shift really far to the left,which personally I don't. On a side note, I don't think some of the more radical leftists in the 60's, like Weather underground or some elements of the Black Nationalist movement, realize just how much damage they did to their own cause. The "establishment" many of them were protesting against, are now considered the new fringe left. And no, not all of it can be blamed on some nebulous right wing conspiracy.

edited 14th Jul '15 6:26:57 PM by JackOLantern1337

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#96584: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:28:13 PM

Yeah Gab is probably more right than anything. It won't be some grand insurgency, it's gonna be more minorities getting killed during Stand Your Ground bullshit and taking a tumble down some stairs at the police station.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96585: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:36:43 PM

I think we'll see some genuine insurgents but unless they get a lot of power they're not going to be a serious threat.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#96586: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:49:01 PM

Well, I mean, let's be frank.

The most likely occurrence is that Jeb Bush will win the nomination the same way Mitt Romney did. If the party loses the Presidential race, I'm sure there'll be hemming and hawing over why they can't win the presidency anymore, but they control enough of congress such that it's very difficult for them to suddenly deem themselves irrelevant.

I don't think we're "there yet" in terms of party implosion, no matter what happens.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#96587: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:53:04 PM

We didn't see an insurgency in the 1990s with the militia movement. Doubt we'll see one in the near future. More racism and a Klan resurgence - a process which Ferguson/Baltimore has already begun, to some extent - sure, but actual armed conflict seems unlikely.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96588: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:56:56 PM

I mean I'd consider the Klan terrorists given their typical antics. They're just not as direct a threat to the government as typical insurgents.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#96589: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:59:09 PM

Not an insurgency, but defiantly some violent acts. The Nineties had Waco and the Oklahoma city bombing fore one. Like I said, I suspect any future "wave" or right wing terror will be small scale and accomplish nothing except completely and utterly discrediting the ideas of the wannabe insurgents.

[up] In their past certainly, but now, what has the Klan even done recently, hell their isn't really any unified group, just a bunch of racist nut jobs clinging to the shadows.

edited 14th Jul '15 7:01:15 PM by JackOLantern1337

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96590: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:04:07 PM

Well I don't know of any acts we can definitively pin on the Klan. The numerous church fires in South Carolina following the shooting seem like something they'd do though.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#96591: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:10:10 PM

[up] I never got their logic in doing that. They styled themselves as, amongst other things, defendants of Protestant christianity, and yet they burned down Protestant Churches. ISIS has a similar problem, but even then I have never heard of them attacking a Mosque of their own sect, though they love to attack Shia places of worship.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#96592: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:13:26 PM

The churches had a predominantly black congregation.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96593: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:14:49 PM

They're black churches though. It goes back to the "real America" thing. It's okay to burn down black churches or kill black people because they're the other. The Klan doesn't view it as attacking their own group so it's okay.

edited 14th Jul '15 7:15:06 PM by Kostya

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#96594: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:18:22 PM

Just so we're clear, everyone does know that half of the burned churches have been proved to be accidents or natural causes, right? Only three were products of arson, and one of those is suspected to be due to a burglary, not potential hate crime.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#96595: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:19:27 PM

Yeah, the churches burning thing was largely a red herring.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96596: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:21:43 PM

Being ruled accidental doesn't mean it was really an accident though. Unless churches burning down is a regular occurrence in South Carolina it's still suspicious that so many suddenly burned down following this.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#96597: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:24:40 PM

Is the accident thing the FBI's official ruling? Because frankly you can't trust domestic authorities with these kind of things.

Oh really when?
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#96598: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:26:24 PM

And got press time largely due to very unfortunate timing.

Still I don't understand why anyone here is predicting entrenched terrorists or insurgents. For one, the people who want to actually secede are a very small number. For another, such small membership means largely unsustainable in any sense except as those people who show up at Tea Party events to yell and cheer a lot. And I really don't see how a right wing version of the Sixties could happen. Largely because the Sixties, as flawed as they were, tended to be more about equality than the blatant racism that comes along with the groups you guys think are gonna be the insurgent types.

If anything we'll get more Cliven Bundy incidents the the government will be forced to find a way to deal with them that doesn't look like they're just folding in the face of resistance to paying legally owed fees.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#96599: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:27:38 PM

[up][up]

FBI/ATF, apparently.

Schild und Schwert der Partei
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#96600: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:28:07 PM

[up]If I recall a stat that a few news sites discussed remarkably less, there's an average of something like 30 church fires per week across the USA, with one out of ten of those being classified as arson.

A lot of church buildings are really old with very antiquated electric systems.

edited 14th Jul '15 7:29:20 PM by carbon-mantis


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