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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#96401: Jul 11th 2015 at 7:36:14 PM

[up]Hey, I'm a Christian, and I'm in no hurry. Though to be honest, the thought that there are Christians who want to hurry the end of the world is kind of depressing...

edited 11th Jul '15 7:36:36 PM by kkhohoho

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#96402: Jul 11th 2015 at 7:41:55 PM

[up][up]According to various interpretations, End Of The World means Jesus coming back to punish all their enemies and giving all the true believers a perfect new world.

LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Party Crasher
#96403: Jul 11th 2015 at 7:44:28 PM

[up] So... thanks, Obama? :D

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#96404: Jul 11th 2015 at 7:48:33 PM

Heard some lady on the bus grumbling about "the media" and how they're all going to burn in hell, because satan wants more people down there because he knows the end of days is coming and his defeat comes with it.

She didn't even seem that crazy, just a mildly handicapped old woman.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96405: Jul 11th 2015 at 7:54:16 PM

I'd love to see the look on their faces if Jesus returns and turns out to be a Middle Eastern socialist hippie.

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#96406: Jul 11th 2015 at 7:59:28 PM

It's probably some sort of subconscious pettiness. More than anything, they want to be told that they're right. Unfortunately, being right here means boiling the Earth in a lake of fire, yadda yadda yadda...

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#96407: Jul 11th 2015 at 8:05:47 PM

I think the rationale is that, since it doesn't look like the world's going to convert to Christianity en masse anytime soon, every day that goes by sees the birth of more people who will never join The One True Faith and so be sent to Hell when they die.

Suppose that, over the next ten years, a billion people will be born, three-quarters of whom will be non-Christians. If the apocalypse doesn't happen for another ten years, those 750,000 people will wind up in Hell. If the apocalypse happens this year, however, those people will never be born, and the total number of people suffering in Hell will be reduced.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96408: Jul 11th 2015 at 8:10:10 PM

Well wait a minute. What separates that from abortion? Both prevent people from being born.

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#96409: Jul 11th 2015 at 8:12:45 PM

One requires human agency and the other can be written off as Goddidit?

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96410: Jul 11th 2015 at 8:14:43 PM

I'm not expecting a logical reason since I doubt anyone that believes this shit ever even considered that. It's just an amusing contradiction I noticed.

On a serious note I dislike this notion that because god did it that makes it somehow okay. I see this from time to time and it bugs the hell out of me.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#96411: Jul 11th 2015 at 8:16:47 PM

Point, most people with that religious viewpoint are pro-lifers, so replace the word "born" in my previous post with the word "conceived".

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#96412: Jul 11th 2015 at 8:17:39 PM

[up][up]Well, the people we're talking about believe God to be all knowing and perfect. If you believe that then it makes sense to believe everything he does is right and okay. I don't think that's much of a contradiction.

edited 11th Jul '15 8:18:07 PM by LSBK

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96413: Jul 11th 2015 at 8:20:45 PM

The problem is it implies things like the Holocaust, the slave trade, and 9/11 are somehow okay because god allowed them to happen.

edit: And it just occurred to me that this probably isn't the correct thread for this.

edited 11th Jul '15 8:21:22 PM by Kostya

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#96414: Jul 11th 2015 at 8:44:44 PM

Bingo. Let's get back to Politics. Specifically, US politics!

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Lost in Space
#96415: Jul 11th 2015 at 10:49:10 PM

That type of contradiction is inherent to many ideologies. For example, people who take a "Christian approach" to human sexuality will typically insist on abolishing abortion, teaching abstinence until marriage, preventing access to contraception, and denying young people any information about sex. That this results in more children out of wedlock and more abortions is apparently completely incomprehensible to them, because God's will, Bible, morals, mumble mumble.

It's necessary to understand to the extent that you realize how impossible it is to make deals with anyone who holds these views. They are psychologically conditioned to ignore contradictory evidence; it washes off them like they are made of Teflon. All you can hope for is that they have individual epiphanies in response to adverse events in their own lives, but that's not enough when it comes to legislating. Compromise is an illusion.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#96416: Jul 11th 2015 at 10:59:45 PM

On another topic (one that I was just discussing with another user), I would argue that the horseshoe theory applies to authoritarian vs libertarian policies.

You see, the reason why Despotism doesn't work is because the Despot becomes corrupted by power and a lack of consequences. Likewise, Anarchy doesn't work either, because the people are corrupted by their freedom and the lack of consequences.

Therefore, there exists an overlapping principle in both Anarchy and Despotism: GIFT

Leviticus 19:34
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My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#96417: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:00:32 PM

[up][up] I honestly wonder how that differs to an "Islamic approach" to sexuality.

edited 11th Jul '15 11:00:44 PM by FluffyMcChicken

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#96418: Jul 12th 2015 at 12:20:49 AM

[up][up][up] Eh, it's more like a textbook case of "letting the perfect be the enemy of the good". They don't want people to get abortions or have children out of wedlock, but they don't want people to have pre-marital and/or non-procreative sex, period, and they refuse to compromise the latter principle for the sake of the former.

edited 12th Jul '15 12:22:28 AM by RavenWilder

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United Earth
#96419: Jul 12th 2015 at 2:22:15 AM

[up][up]Muslims are perfectly fine with contraception.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#96420: Jul 12th 2015 at 3:56:24 AM

Islamic sexual jurisprudence has more specific rules than Christian, mainly because Islam's core (the Qur'an and hadith) go into more specific legislative detail than the New Testament (though don't tell a Christianist that...). Also, the rules of evidence are very strict and specific, though sharia courts tend to flat-out ignore the requirements (because in most areas where sharia law is supposedly "applied strictly," enforcing the subjugation of women is more important than protecting their legal rights).

This may also give some insight into the thought processes of those who support Christian sexual morality.

edited 12th Jul '15 3:56:46 AM by Ramidel

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United Earth
#96421: Jul 12th 2015 at 4:54:42 AM

"" sharia courts tend to flat-out ignore the requirements (because in most areas where sharia law is supposedly "applied strictly," enforcing the subjugation of women is more important than protecting their legal rights).""

Exactly. For example, a woman denouncing rape without the required four witnesses will be condemned for false testimony.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#96422: Jul 12th 2015 at 5:51:01 AM

Indeed. Yet somehow, a woman accused of adultery or fornication without four witnesses can be convicted easily in most of these places. The Double Standard is strong with this one.

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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#96424: Jul 12th 2015 at 6:47:33 AM

He apparently deleted the tweet by now (Panicked Manager ftw?) but now its clear who's Dumb and who's Dumber.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#96425: Jul 12th 2015 at 6:50:24 AM

Good move but we still need to make not vaccinating your kids a form of child abuse.


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