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deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#58352: Jul 14th 2013 at 12:20:25 PM

Fair enough. We could crack jokes about Cleveland instead.

edited 14th Jul '13 12:20:56 PM by Pykrete

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58353: Jul 14th 2013 at 12:21:02 PM

God shut up Ann Coulter, you're a fucking hack. Also other things, but that sort of language gets us banned from the forum.

What exactly did she do to become a pundit anyway? Write some books or what?

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58354: Jul 14th 2013 at 12:25:16 PM

MSNBC Guest: Zimmerman Defense Invoked Same Justification As Lynching: Protecting White Womanhood

edited 14th Jul '13 6:39:22 PM by deviantbraeburn

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#58355: Jul 14th 2013 at 12:40:41 PM

I guess the Northern Virginia area is too new for jokes.

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58356: Jul 14th 2013 at 12:44:55 PM

Conservative Radio Host: NAACP ‘Raising The Roof’ With Petition Against George Zimmerman

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Nettacki Since: Jan, 2010
#58357: Jul 14th 2013 at 12:46:59 PM

[up][up][up]Again, why are they bringing race into it?

edited 14th Jul '13 12:47:10 PM by Nettacki

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58358: Jul 14th 2013 at 12:49:52 PM

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Good to see conversative radio has no idea what Raise the Roof means..

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#58359: Jul 14th 2013 at 12:52:03 PM

FFS, the guy helped mobilize a black neighborhood to protest in response to police beating a black guy not that long before the shooting happened. Chances are he's not part of the white hood brigade.

edited 14th Jul '13 12:53:05 PM by Pykrete

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#58360: Jul 14th 2013 at 12:53:47 PM

Zimmerman himself isn't the problem so much as Florida laws are. Sorry Jovian, but so far the effective outcome of your state's legislations and attitude towards race and crime is that people of colour do not have the legal right to self-defense.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
MidnightRambler Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan! from Germania Inferior Since: Mar, 2011
Ich bin nicht schuld! 's ist Gottes Plan!
#58362: Jul 14th 2013 at 2:04:18 PM

Oh hey, casual outside observer checking in.

So, we have a trigger-happy wannabe-Judge Dredd who killed a teenager on the street, after repeatedly being instructed by real law enforcement to leave the kid alone. And this man now goes free.

Not too long ago, certain provisions from the Voting Rights Act - something about extra measures in areas with a history of discrimination - were repealed. Have these people never heard of REDMAP and other gerrymandering and disenfranchisement efforts from the GOP?

Something tells me 2013 isn't a good year for race relations in the USA.

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deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58364: Jul 14th 2013 at 3:24:51 PM

@Nettacki: They're bringing racism into it because racism is still a very serious issue in this country. Actively trying to suppress talk about racism in relation to anything is just a way to pretend racism doesn't exist. And pretending it doesn't exist makes it easy to ignore it when it happens.

That's more meta commentary on racism in this country as a whole rather than a comment on this specific case. Don't forget, people thought there were going to be riots over the decision in this case, all over the country in locations heavily populated by black people, in absence of any evidence of such.

In regards to the article: uh... huh. That's a sneaky kind of tactic there. Hoo boy.

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58365: Jul 14th 2013 at 3:43:43 PM

Senator Reid (D-NV) on Zimmerman: ‘This isn’t over with'

Justice Department reviewing Zimmerman case after acquittal

@Nettacki

MSNBC is acting like a bunch of dumb-asses. When it comes to the Zimmerman case, their almost as bad as FOX news.

If you need any further evidence of that fact

edited 14th Jul '13 4:12:57 PM by deviantbraeburn

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#58366: Jul 14th 2013 at 4:53:50 PM

Sorry Jovian, but so far the effective outcome of your state's legislations and attitude towards race and crime is that people of colour do not have the legal right to self-defense.
Oh, no argument there. I've said from the beginning that the best-case scenario in my mind is that Zimmerman gets a not guilty verdict, and it pisses off people so much that they get shitty laws changed.

(And it's not legitimate discussions of Florida government or politics that I mind, it's saying "lol Florida" and leaving it at that.)

So, we have a trigger-happy wannabe-Judge Dredd who killed a teenager on the street, after repeatedly being instructed by real law enforcement to leave the kid alone. And this man now goes free.
No. We have a neighborhood watch volunteer who reported a suspicious person in his neighborhood and waited for the police to arrive, only for that person to attack him, forcing him to defend himself with lethal force.

Or at least, the jury found that version of events plausible enough to conclude that there was reasonable doubt of Zimmerman's guilt. We don't know whether or not Zimmerman or Martin started the confrontation. That was the whole damn point of the trial.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58367: Jul 14th 2013 at 5:04:12 PM

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if he had waited for police to arrive, why didnt he, I dont know, stay in a vehicle instead of get out and walk towards the kid?

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#58368: Jul 14th 2013 at 5:06:20 PM

Well, on legitimate discussions of Florida politics then, when the hell are you getting a new governor?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#58369: Jul 14th 2013 at 5:22:39 PM

[up][up]He lost sight of Martin from inside his car. The dispatcher asked him which direction Martin had gone. Zimmerman got out of his car to figure out the answer to that question. When the dispatcher realized what was going on, he told Zimmerman not to follow Martin (to which Zimmerman replied "okay"). Depending on which version of events you believe, either Zimmerman kept following Martin anyway, or he was walking back to his car to wait for the police when Martin confronted him.

[up]2014, hopefully. I friggen hate Rick Scott. He gutted a bunch of stuff in the name of fiscal responsibility and has been slowly adding things back (like the education budget), but we still aren't anywhere near pre-cut levels. It remains to be seen whether or not voters will buy Scott's inevitable "I've increased education budgets consistently for the past three years!" types of claims. He's done consistently poorly in polling against any sort of serious Democratic competition, though.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#58370: Jul 14th 2013 at 5:26:54 PM

[up] The story is slightly different. He was told he didn't have to follow Martin.

The rest is spot on, though. The exact wording does have a point, since it wasn't an order, they had less to pin on him. It was just a suggestion.

Shadow?
deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58371: Jul 14th 2013 at 5:56:45 PM

GOP lawmaker says Obama politicized Trayvon Martin case

edited 14th Jul '13 6:37:32 PM by deviantbraeburn

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Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#58372: Jul 14th 2013 at 6:36:01 PM

Cause the conservatives and gun lobby aren't politicizing this at all.

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58373: Jul 14th 2013 at 6:38:42 PM

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Yeah, I mean, its not like the other side did anything at all to paint Trayvon as a murdering gangbanger monster who nobody should give a shit about being dead.

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58375: Jul 14th 2013 at 6:54:00 PM

[up]

Rick perry, a good example of what white men who've never had to deal with the justice system think of how the justice system works.


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