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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#58326: Jul 14th 2013 at 6:59:34 AM

No civilian should be allowed to carry a loaded weapon outside of his house

Florida gun law would disagree with you.

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lonesomepaire from nowhere,wyoming Since: Apr, 2013
#58327: Jul 14th 2013 at 7:07:21 AM

[up] almost all American gun laws disagree with that. A large amount of Americans disagree with that.

[up][up]There is a very big difference between playing police and carrying a gun.

edited 14th Jul '13 7:15:51 AM by lonesomepaire

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58328: Jul 14th 2013 at 8:00:49 AM

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actually, a lot of the controversy is over whether shit like stand your ground allows mall ninja types to live out their hero fantasies.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#58329: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:09:25 AM

The only problem, in my mind, with Stand Your Ground, is that it lowers the bar for justifiable homicide, which just really shouldn't be. Sometimes you're in a life-and-death situation and you have to kill someone to save yourself (or have reason to believe as much), but everyone should be legally obligated to exhaust non-lethal options first, because whether the one you end up killing was a completely worthless human or not, it is not our place to kill each other. It really shouldn't be.

IConfuseMe from Washington, DC Since: Jan, 2010
#58330: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:27:57 AM

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And a completely different set of Americans would agree with him. That's irrelevant to whether or not the idea is valid.

And on a completely different note: Joesolo mentioned a few pages back about not finding any scholarships targeted at whites.

They're are plenty of scholarships that are aimed at people of Italian,Polish, English, German, Irish, French(insert other European peoples here) descent. And a few generic Caucasian ones exist as well. I don't have quantitative data, but they do exist and aren't hard to find.

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58331: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:30:49 AM

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Not to mention theres scholarships aimed specifically at the poor, too.

The main reason thgere arent many "white people" scholarships is white people tend to be assumed to be largely middle class.The ones that arent usually qualify for scholarships based on academia, sports, or just go for pell grants and student loans.

Aaaaand it doesnt help that theres at least a scholarship or two specifically for white people funded by hate groups..

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#58332: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:31:45 AM

So let me get this straight, as a purely outside observer. Because the outcome of someone's Trial by Jury wasn't the same as their Trial by Media, everyone's up in arms?

"Yup. That tasted purple."
terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#58333: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:34:03 AM

And in other news,one oft-forgotten president is now 100.

I call old Jerry the last decent Republican.

edited 14th Jul '13 9:34:46 AM by terlwyth

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#58334: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:34:54 AM

I didn't know he was still aliveEDIT: of he isn't alive, why are they celebrating his birthday? That's what Presdients Day is for

edited 14th Jul '13 9:35:44 AM by Xopher001

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58335: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:36:29 AM

Wait, Gerald Ford is alive? Then why, when Obama was elected, did I see a picture of all the presidents from Carter to Obama that had a caption about them being all the currently living presidents?

edit: Why would you celebrate a person's 100th birthday if they're not currently alive?

edited 14th Jul '13 9:37:20 AM by Kostya

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#58336: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:37:09 AM

Ford died in 2006.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
IConfuseMe from Washington, DC Since: Jan, 2010
#58337: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:37:47 AM

Gerald Ford is dead. He died in 06.

@Deadbeatloser

I thought the reason people were up in arms was because Zimmerman was largely responsible for the conflict. Trayvon was not committing any crime when Zimmerman decided to follow him. Realizing he was being stalked, Martin approached Zimmerman. Events get cloudy but the end was result was a fight Martin was winning when he was shot.

Many, including myself, see Zimmerman's action (following Trayvon) as provocation. The law disagrees. I find it a case where what is legal and what is right are not on the same page.

edited 14th Jul '13 9:41:41 AM by IConfuseMe

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#58338: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:43:48 AM

Honestly, I'm of the opinion that whatever happened is what it is. A jury of people who were not necessarily all automatically in favor of Zimmerman were shown all the information and all the arguments of the defense and the prosecution, and they made the informed decision that Zimmerman was not guilty of the charges that were brought against him.

Some of us may not be happy with the outcome, but it can't be said to have been a sham trial or that justice wasn't done. It definitely wasn't a stacked jury of any sort, and the jurors are way better informed than we are, seeing as they were given all available information on this case and it was discussed at length.

Some of us might not be happy with the verdict, but justice as defined by our society was upheld on that basis.

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#58339: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:45:27 AM

People noted Nixon's 100th,Johnson got a good acknowledgement in 2008 and they were dead for far longer.

Surprisingly,not much of mention for Reagan back 2011.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#58340: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:45:42 AM

I have no doubt that Zimmerman thought he was doing the right thing. The number of stupid deaths caused by people who think they're doing the right thing are the reason we have laws to prevent those stupid deaths. In Florida, they had laws to enable them instead.

I'll leave a few thoughts and that'll be all I have to say on the Martin case. I would like to warn people against arguing on unrelated topics such as affirmative action on this thread, as not only are those off topic, but also there are some very in depth threads on those exact topics lurking around the forum. They can be recovered with "search forum titles" and read or necroed.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#58341: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:51:41 AM

Then again this is the same Florida that recently passed a law that can be interpreted as banning all computers and cellular phones from the state.

Or indeed the human brain. That's how badly worded it is.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Talby Since: Jun, 2009
#58342: Jul 14th 2013 at 9:58:56 AM

Some of us might not be happy with the verdict, but justice as defined by our society was upheld on that basis.

Pretty much this. The whole reason the court system exists is because we can't just go with our gut instinct and common sense on this sort of thing.

Also see; the Lyndie Chamberlain case in Australia.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#58344: Jul 14th 2013 at 10:14:12 AM

I find it interesting that everybody is concerned about possible racism in this case but no one deems it to be a problem that basically everybody in Florida can play police-officer with a loaded gun.

Well, when your police department doesn't even bother to investigate until someone gets shot...

Also, this is a country where police response times usually clock in at 15+ minutes when they show up at all.

The main reason thgere arent many "white people" scholarships is white people tend to be assumed to be largely middle class.

Also because those scholarships are affirmative action designed to pull disproportionately poor demographics out of poverty. Whites aren't disproportionately poor.

edited 14th Jul '13 10:16:08 AM by Pykrete

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58345: Jul 14th 2013 at 10:39:01 AM

I can't find it but I recall reading something that basically said if you remove affirmative action scholarships most of the ones remaining go to white males.

occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#58346: Jul 14th 2013 at 10:59:29 AM

Barkey: I just wanted to know if he got the gun legally or illegally.

Dumbo
tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#58347: Jul 14th 2013 at 11:51:39 AM

[up]x6 What law was that? I didn't hear about any (new) laws my great government of florida passed that was dumb(er) than the ones they usually pass....

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#58348: Jul 14th 2013 at 11:52:47 AM

if Zimmerman was so violently assaulted, then why did he only come away with a slightly broken nose?
Exactly. If Zimmerman's head was supposedly slammed into a concrete curb multiple times by an athletic-looking young man, wouldn't he have gotten a more serious injury than a few cuts?
He had a broken nose, two black eyes, lacerations and the back of his head, and bruising on his face. The reason he didn't have worse is because he shot the guy who was beating the shit out of him.

That's why Zimmerman walked anyhow...no evidence. Because the Florida cops decided Martin getting killed wasn't worth an investigation.
They decided it wasn't worth prosecuting, not that it wasn't worth investigating. They did an investigation and then came to the conclusion that there wasn't evidence that Zimmerman was guilty of anything, so there was no point in charging him and incurring the cost of a trial when there was no chance of getting a conviction.

Guess what? They were right.

Then again this is the same Florida
Can we please stop with the Florida-bashing? I mean, I know it's cool to make fun of Florida, but some of us live here and it's kinda fucking annoying.

edited 14th Jul '13 11:54:27 AM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58349: Jul 14th 2013 at 12:01:22 PM

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we ciould go back to jokes about how its all rich, white, old people?

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#58350: Jul 14th 2013 at 12:06:15 PM

[up][up] Fair enough. We could crack jokes about Cleveland instead.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary

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