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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#58201: Jul 13th 2013 at 5:29:25 PM

unlawful possession of a machine gun.

I just want to quote this for emphasis. The fact that this charge is there confirms that it was, in fact, an automatic weapon.

Automatic weapons tend to require a very expensive tax stamp to the ATF to purchase legally, which is booked and can sort of serve as "registration" because the record of the tax stamp is kept on the books.

I don't know if he legally paid for the gun, because I'm not familiar with Oregon gun laws. That mention of unlawful possession suggests that he did not buy it legally.

Also, regarding the restraining order, if he had actually been charged with any sort of domestic violence crime at any point, the Lautenberg Amendment would have came into play. I have a distinct feeling that someone was asleep at the wheel on this one. He had previously threatened people with guns, he was an admitted drug addict and had not been booked for possession or use of illegal narcotics, and was possibly involved in DV, or at least a restraining order, during which the judge noted that he owned weapons and had a substance abuse problem and and erratic anger issues.

As to the characteristics named. If the weapon really was automatic, then yes, it was an assault rifle. That's one of the requirements for use of that term. "Assault Weapon" is not a real term with any real applications or definitions. It's a Democrat buzzword for "Rifles that make me think of soldiers more than hunters" and is highly objective.

Definition of an Assault Rifle:

An assault rifle is a selective fire (selective between automatic, semi-automatic, and burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1] Assault rifles are the standard service rifles in most modern armies. Note the difference between the assault rifle and the battle rifle. Assault rifles use smaller cartridges and are used at closer ranges than battle rifles. The larger sized rifle cartridges used in battle rifles make fully automatic fire more difficult. Fully automatic fire refers to an ability for a rifle to fire continuously while the trigger is pressed; "burst-capable" fire refers to an ability of a rifle to fire a small yet fixed multiple number of rounds with but one press of the trigger; in contrast, semi-automatic refers to an ability to fire one round per press of a trigger. The presence of selective fire modes on assault rifles permits more efficient use of rounds to be fired for specific needs, versus having a single mode of operation, such as fully automatic, thereby conserving ammunition while maximizing on-target accuracy and effectiveness.

In other words, it has to be automatic or burst capable, and be magazine fed with a centerfire cartridge.

edited 13th Jul '13 5:39:40 PM by Barkey

DAStudent Since: Dec, 2012
#58202: Jul 13th 2013 at 5:39:10 PM

Uh, guys, what do you think of the calls for widespread organized violence if Zimmerman is let off? It seems like a pretty serious threat to me, and yet very few people seem to be taking it that way.

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#58203: Jul 13th 2013 at 5:40:40 PM

^

I've been having this debate today with guys in my unit. In my opinion, if Zimmerman is let off, I think south florida will riot. Possibly Atlanta.

But I think it's not terribly realistic to say that it's going to be massive 1992 LA riot scale rioting. I don't believe that. In my opinion it's also a good 50/50 that Zimmerman will be hit on the manslaughter charge.

edited 13th Jul '13 5:41:02 PM by Barkey

occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#58204: Jul 13th 2013 at 5:42:06 PM

I just want to quote this for emphasis. The fact that this charge is there confirms that it was, in fact, an automatic weapon. Automatic weapons tend to require a very expensive tax stamp to the ATF to purchase legally, which is booked and can sort of serve as "registration" because the record of the tax stamp is kept on the books. I don't know if he legally paid for the gun, because I'm not familiar with Oregon gun laws. That mention of unlawful possession suggests that he did not buy it legally. Also, regarding the restraining order, if he had actually been charged with any sort of domestic violence crime at any point, the Lautenberg Amendment would have came into play. I have a distinct feeling that someone was asleep at the wheel on this one. He had previously threatened people with guns, he was an admitted drug addict and had not been booked for possession or use of illegal narcotics, and was possibly involved in DV, or at least a restraining order, during which the judge noted that he owned weapons and had a substance abuse problem and and erratic anger issues. As to the characteristics named. If the weapon really was automatic, then yes, it was an assault rifle. That's one of the requirements for use of that term. "Assault Weapon" is not a real term with any real applications or definitions. It's a Democrat buzzword for "Rifles that make me think of soldiers more than hunters" and is highly objective.

So he fell through the cracks?

Dumbo
deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58205: Jul 13th 2013 at 5:47:49 PM

Dr. Cornel West: I love Obama and pray for his safety. But he is a war criminal.

edited 13th Jul '13 5:48:07 PM by deviantbraeburn

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#58206: Jul 13th 2013 at 5:51:08 PM

This is ridiculous ! These things happen all the time and the media doesn't talk about them, but this one case being blown out of proportion by news networks like CNN is threatening to provoke riots?! Ok, so at work, the guy in charge , captain peters, won't let anyone change the channel from CNN. ALL they have been talking about for my entire internship is this trial. Sure they occasionally cover stuff like Egypt, which I think deserves more coverage, but the majority is this trial

edited 13th Jul '13 5:52:53 PM by Xopher001

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58207: Jul 13th 2013 at 5:52:48 PM

[up]

Looks like it.

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rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#58208: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:03:40 PM

Zimmerman just got ruled not guilty.

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deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58209: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:06:05 PM

Incoming outraged reactions. tongue

This is gonna get painful.

edited 13th Jul '13 7:06:28 PM by deviantbraeburn

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mailedbypostman Since: May, 2010
#58210: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:13:58 PM

Wonder what will happen to Zimmerman. Or the surrounding neighborhood.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#58211: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:15:45 PM

Not really surprised; I think he was innocent by the laws on the books.

Hopefully people will use being pissed off to get the stupid laws changed, rather than just random destructive rioting.

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DAStudent Since: Dec, 2012
#58212: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:32:11 PM

Only problem is, there isn't actually anything wrong with the law on this matter. People are just charged up because they were sold a false, emotionally charged version of the story of what happened, and they're fitting subsequent evidence into that story even when the subsequent evidence completely demolishes that story.

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midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58213: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:35:45 PM

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Er, No.

Theyre pissed because laws like stand your ground are the kind of idiotic law mostly favored by gun owners and gun enthusiasts and pretty much nobody else.

and the subsequent evidence actually says we have no fucking idea who swung first and we certainly cant be sure that zimmerman was justified in shooting someone, nor is the potrayal of trayvon as "some evil gangster monster who deserved to die" accurate either.

This isnt some open and shut case either way. Its that a stupid law allowed a guy to get off with at least a manslaughter if not a second degree murder on the technicality that stand your ground legalizes that.

edited 13th Jul '13 7:40:26 PM by midgetsnowman

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#58214: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:40:35 PM

the issue is also that the woman who fired a WARNING SHOT got 20 years in prison.

zimmerman killed a kid and got off scot free.

There's a disconnect there that's problematic.

edited 13th Jul '13 7:41:10 PM by Lanceleoghauni

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mailedbypostman Since: May, 2010
#58215: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:41:33 PM

Ironically, the problem of not being able to determine what happened could theoretically be alleviated by some surveillance. NSA, lend us a hand?

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#58216: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:45:55 PM

Well, the court system is designed to give the benefit of the doubt to the defendant.

I wonder if Zimmerman is going to end up pulling his gun against a bunch of rioters next?

edited 13th Jul '13 7:46:40 PM by Ramidel

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58217: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:48:25 PM

[up]

Probably not. But I imagine there'll be an uptick in "accidental" killings by white gun owners of scary black men.

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58218: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:49:09 PM

You know guys, their is a chance Zimmerman is actually innocent.

MSNBC's Touré Blasts Race Riot Predictions: ‘O’Reilly And These Lunatics’ Profiling Black Men As Zimmerman Did Trayvon

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midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58219: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:50:59 PM

[up]

Innocent of murder? sure.

But given he directly ignored police orders, manslaughter is pretty much 200% for sure.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#58220: Jul 13th 2013 at 7:53:34 PM

I believe that, according to the law-as-written, Zimmerman was indeed not guilty of committing a crime. Police instructions be damned; the law said that if he believed himself to be in danger of cement block, he had a right to blaze away like a Rambo-wannabe.

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58221: Jul 13th 2013 at 8:00:19 PM

The Best And Worst Twitter Reactions To The George Zimmerman Verdict

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wuggles (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58222: Jul 13th 2013 at 8:02:38 PM

The warning shot case is what really gets me. It would be one thing if she also got off, then it wouldn't matter. But the fact that she got 20 years for that crap and Zimmerman didn't get anything for killing someone really shows you what's what in America. If Trayvon had instead been Travis the white guy we would've seen a WAY different outcome here.

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58223: Jul 13th 2013 at 8:07:34 PM

[up]

This.

If anything incites riots, it'll be black people rightly angry that a black wioman fires a warning shot and gets jailed for a good third of her lifespan, while a white man shoots a black guy in questionable circumstances lethally and gets nothing.

edited 13th Jul '13 8:07:48 PM by midgetsnowman

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58224: Jul 13th 2013 at 8:10:57 PM

Most people don't seem to know about the other case.

At least I haven't heard it mentioned a lot.

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lordnyx Since: Aug, 2009
#58225: Jul 13th 2013 at 8:11:46 PM

Erh Zimmerman is Hispanic on his mother's side.

edited 13th Jul '13 8:12:17 PM by lordnyx


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