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KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#58176: Jul 13th 2013 at 2:06:17 AM

What's the point of continuing with all of these anti-abortion bills? it just seems like these guys are forgoing national relevance and dignity of their party, just to hold on to their local seats in the state senate a such (which I suppose, is probably being a true politician). Still they really should rein these guys in.

Hermiethefrog Since: Jan, 2001
#58177: Jul 13th 2013 at 5:18:41 AM

I'm disappointed in this development.

SKJAM Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#58178: Jul 13th 2013 at 6:30:09 AM

The filibuster wasn't for nothing, as such. It delayed the victory of the deny medical care to women bill, and forced its sponsors to be open about their determination to pass it over the objections of the people it would affect. Calling a second special session of a state legislature is very rare, and shows desperation.

It also gave Wendy Davis national media exposure, mostly favorable, which is like manna from heaven for a politician.

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58179: Jul 13th 2013 at 9:23:23 AM

Essentially, if nothing else, it proved to anyone who wasnt already cheering Rick perry on that the pro-life movement will do anything and everything to get its way.

which is quite a boon to the pro-choice side's argument.

edited 13th Jul '13 9:27:09 AM by midgetsnowman

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58181: Jul 13th 2013 at 9:57:41 AM

What the hell kind of friend is he to let him have a gun when he's in that state, especially when there are people in rooms right next to yours that could get hit? Even if there wasn't anybody else around the guy could have blown his own hand off if he used it like a cane.

I have a feeling this man would have sworn up and down that he was a "responsible gun owner."

edited 13th Jul '13 9:58:57 AM by Kostya

occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#58184: Jul 13th 2013 at 10:25:36 AM

Are assault rifles meant to be banned?

Dumbo
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#58185: Jul 13th 2013 at 10:30:39 AM

What are you defining as an assault rifle?

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#58186: Jul 13th 2013 at 10:34:14 AM

Can someone please explain the Trayvon Martin case to me?
Short version: George Zimmerman was a member of the Neighborhood Watch in an area that had had break-ins recently. He reported Martin as a suspicious person when Martin was walking home from a 7-11, because he thought it was odd that someone he didn't recognize (Martin was visiting someone, he didn't live in the neighborhood) was walking behind the townhouses in the neighborhood (rather than on the street or the sidewalk) in the rain (without making any attempt to get out of it). During the call, Martin approached Zimmerman, but the two didn't talk (Zimmerman was in his car), and then left. The police dispatcher asked Zimmerman which way Martin had gone, and Zimmerman got out of his car to check. When the police dispatcher realized what was going on, he told Zimmerman that they didn't need him to follow Martin, to which Zimmerman said "okay". The call ended soon after that, with Zimmerman agreeing to meet an officer being sent to the neighborhood. After that, accounts differ. What is known is that there was an encounter between Zimmerman and Martin, which ended with Zimmerman fatally shooting Martin.

Police told Zimmerman to step off. He didn't and instead confronted Martin
That's one of the main questions of the case. The prosecution claims Zimmerman pursued Martin and initiated the encounter. The defense claims that Martin approached Zimmerman and initiated the encounter.

Not just a guy on neighborhood watch, a self-appointed guy on neighborhood watch.
Where'd you hear that? The watch group was registered with the local police department, and Zimmerman was appointed coordinator of the group by his neighbors.

I'll be more surprised if more black kids dont die due to stand your ground in the near future if thats the case, though.
If a clear for Zimmerman sets precedent then it's effectively open season on young black men in Florida.
I don't know about the demographics of it, but incidents labelled as justifiable homicide have tripled in Florida since the passage of the Stand Your Ground law. It's a stupid, stupid law, and I've said before that I think the best-case outcome of Zimmerman's trial is that he's found not guilty under Stand Your Ground and the resulting outcry ends with the law being repealed.

edited 13th Jul '13 10:36:03 AM by NativeJovian

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occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#58187: Jul 13th 2013 at 11:35:55 AM

[up][up] I don't know.

I thought that the sort of gun in the incident was banned. Did he have it illegally?

Dumbo
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#58188: Jul 13th 2013 at 12:45:55 PM

Assault rifle can mean one of two different things.

The first is fully automatic weapons, which all but the most extreme circumstances are already banned.

The second is completely ordinary semiautomatic weapons with X number of features that apparently make gun control advocates pee themselves despite being cosmetic.

The two are often used interchangeably by lawmakers to make it seem like a pistol grip or bayonet mount actually turns your rifle into a 15 rounds per second death machine.

Oregon has fairly loose laws about the latter sort, and full-autos have been illegal for decades and almost nobody has them anymore, so it's unlikely his weapon was illegal.

edited 13th Jul '13 12:47:37 PM by Pykrete

CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland    Since: Jul, 2011
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#58189: Jul 13th 2013 at 12:48:50 PM

Explain to this troper, what is so inherently dangerous in pistol grip?

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KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#58190: Jul 13th 2013 at 12:51:13 PM

[up][up] It's been a while sense and I'm not sure where the article is, but I've read that in Florida if the person being shot was black stand-your-ground was considered justifiable 75% of the time, while if the person being shot was white it was only ruled as such 57% of the time. I suppose there are always different circumstances, but it's still something to think about.

I read this on Dailykos, so if any one wants to take a crack to find the diary ( I no longer visit the website).

Edit: yeah, I had that wrong and changed it.

edited 13th Jul '13 12:54:31 PM by KBSL

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#58191: Jul 13th 2013 at 12:51:45 PM

The prosecution didn't try Zimmeron under "Stand you ground" in fact that law may have nothing to do with the case at all. And before anyone singles out Florida, California has one as well.

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#58192: Jul 13th 2013 at 12:52:25 PM

Justifiable in 75% in both cases? Methinks you got a number wrong.

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#58193: Jul 13th 2013 at 12:58:29 PM

Yeah, several states such as Arizona and Michigan have stand your ground, but they didn't have (possibly) racially-charged incident like this get so much media attention.

occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#58194: Jul 13th 2013 at 1:21:07 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] Should he have been blocked by any background checks?

Dumbo
deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58195: Jul 13th 2013 at 2:46:06 PM

Nancy Pelosi: No virtue in delaying health law's individual mandate

edited 13th Jul '13 3:11:30 PM by deviantbraeburn

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Jupiterian Local
#58196: Jul 13th 2013 at 3:03:21 PM

The prosecution didn't try Zimmeron under "Stand you ground"
That's because the prosecution is trying Zimmerman for murder. It's the defense that's using Stand Your Ground — which makes it legal for Zimmerman to have killed Martin as long as Zimmerman had a reasonable fear of grave harm.

The article you link is correct in as much as Stand Your Ground isn't necessarily causing more deaths than would have otherwise occurred, but it does let people not be prosecuted for killing people more often, which is a cause for legitimate concern.

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#58197: Jul 13th 2013 at 3:06:15 PM

[up][up][up] Nope, you'll notice that all the behaviour described appears to have happened after he got his guns, plus background checks only show up felonies, so you can be a crazy drug addict stalker and as long as you've avoided prosecution you will pass the background check. As for the sort of gun, "Assault Rife" doesn't actually mean anything, it's a term that simply encompasses whatever the speaker wants and has no legal weight behind it in most places. I'm pretty sure the places it does have legal weight behind it only differentiate an "Assault Rife" from a regular rife via features that in no way effect the amount of damage the gun can do.

edited 13th Jul '13 3:06:40 PM by Silasw

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#58198: Jul 13th 2013 at 4:32:27 PM

Explain to this troper, what is so inherently dangerous in pistol grip?

It looks scarier.

No really, that's it. The features that classify an "assault weapon" in most of the relevant bans are almost all purely cosmetic.

edited 13th Jul '13 4:32:48 PM by Pykrete

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#58199: Jul 13th 2013 at 4:59:39 PM

[up]

Or ergonomic. Pistol grips are more comfortable, barrel shrouds prevent the user burning themselves, a flash hider stops one hurting one's eyesight in low light conditions, a telescoping stock allows the user to adjust the weapon to their needs. The AWB just comes off as spiteful; "If we can't ban guns, we'll make them more dangerous and uncomfortable for the people that use them." Of course, one should never attribute malice to what can be better explained by sheer ignorance:

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occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#58200: Jul 13th 2013 at 5:23:53 PM

Wikipedia says the federal assault weapons ban expired in 2004.

So what, if anything, may realistically happen in Oregon after this, or is it just a thing that can happen?

Dumbo

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