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deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58126: Jul 12th 2013 at 10:57:25 AM

Florida Authorities Release PSAs To Warn Against Post-Zimmerman Trial Violence

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#58127: Jul 12th 2013 at 11:08:44 AM

[up][up] Nope. I can see the argument against it, but it is never mentioned in any way. If you really want to screw with someone who's pro-life, bring up the thing with Abraham almost sacrificing Isaac and do the fundamentalist cherry-picking thing with the verses.

I'll stop there.

Tangent128 from Virginia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#58128: Jul 12th 2013 at 11:12:11 AM

@Barkey: Not in any explicit sense.

Well, I keep noticing - I just can't be the only one! - this weird phenomenon where "Biblical teaching" seems to align with "Conservative interests". Funny that!

Also funny given how there are load and loads of passages about judgments being brought on a nation for their mistreatment of widows, orphans, and foreigners. I long to see a serious political debate about bringing back the biblical principles of gleaning and the Jubilee. tongue

edited 12th Jul '13 11:15:07 AM by Tangent128

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#58129: Jul 12th 2013 at 11:12:26 AM

Weren't women that were raped told to drink some kind of mixture prepared by a priest to "remove the curse"? I don't have the relevant passage but I think it was in Numbers or something. I'll find it when I'm not as busy.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#58130: Jul 12th 2013 at 11:14:48 AM

Eh, there are so many random things that made a person unclean. What you needed to to was bathe in a "Miqvah", a ritual bath with very specific rules about how to build it and how to fill it. Or you could swim in the Sea of Galilee.

For example, you were unclean if you were bleeding. And yes, that did have an effect on the women, but most people went to a miqvah every couple of weeks anyway, so it wasn't a huge deal.

[up] Actually no. If it was consensual, like the woman shouldn't even have been able to meet the rapist, at all, and she was engaged, they would both be stoned. If the man forced her and she was betrothed to someone else, the man would be stoned and the woman would have to do a cleansing ritual, which didn't include a potion or anything. If the woman was not betrothed, the man would be forced to marry her. Apparently that threat actually kind of works.

The Biblical definition of rape is kind of wide.

edited 12th Jul '13 11:19:02 AM by Zendervai

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#58131: Jul 12th 2013 at 11:28:18 AM

I'd like to caution everyone about this become a thread about religion. We all know that "the Devil may quote Scripture for his own purpose", and it would seem rather obvious that not everyone who claims the Bible or any other holy book as their justification for committing horrendous acts is acting in good faith.

edited 12th Jul '13 11:28:29 AM by Fighteer

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#58132: Jul 12th 2013 at 11:39:42 AM

Honestly i do think some of the ideas of "Jubilee" would get traction in U.S. politics, at least among left-populists and left-anarchists: a massive debt writedown (or out and out elimination).

Hell, I do seriously think that a "student loan jubilee" is going to have to be proposed at some point. If student debt gets any worse, we could stare down decades of slow growth because the Millennials are either going to have bad credit, or the ones with good credit will do so by having all their income tied up in debt, which will mesh very poorly with our already soft opinions on car ownership and home ownership (the two biggest drivers of the consumer economy)

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#58133: Jul 12th 2013 at 11:58:30 AM

Poll: Voters blame GOP more than Obama for gridlock

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#58134: Jul 12th 2013 at 12:21:27 PM

Now let's hope they have learned something.

In other news, I found this "grade" of a Republican letter against the Senate immigration bill hilarious.

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#58136: Jul 12th 2013 at 1:40:32 PM

Yeah, it's true. I guess someone heard that there was a plan to pelt the judge with tampons or something.

God, I would feel like such an asshole right now if I were a state trooper on bailiff duty. Like "Are these guys fucking serious? I'm confiscating tampons?"

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58137: Jul 12th 2013 at 1:49:01 PM

House Republicans crafting DREAM Act-like immigration bill

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#58138: Jul 12th 2013 at 2:16:28 PM

Because these are the same people who are so utterly convinced of the Bible that they diont believe Jesus would ever allow something that could wipe humankind off the planet to occur. Therefore it cannot.

Well it is highly doubtful global warming would wipe humankind off the face of the earth. Fuck up ecosystems and make it unsustainable for 7 billion of us, sure, but the sociopathic business interests causing it would likely be at the top of the pile once resources start getting crunched.

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#58139: Jul 12th 2013 at 2:18:16 PM

Destroying the entire planet and rendering it a completely unlivable wasteland from which no life, in any shape or form, will ever sprout again is a lot harder than some make it out to be. Life bounces back.

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#58140: Jul 12th 2013 at 2:22:15 PM

True, but you'll forgive me if I'd rather not dwell on the difference between 100% of life dying and only 99%.

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#58141: Jul 12th 2013 at 2:22:36 PM

[up][up] It's actually almost happened several times in History, and life has recovered.

[up] The largest extinction event, the Permian–Triassic extinction event, killed up to 96% of all species.

edited 12th Jul '13 2:26:09 PM by Greenmantle

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#58142: Jul 12th 2013 at 2:25:29 PM

Obligatory Goldblum:

Trouble is, I don't really give a flying fuck about the monkeys that might inherit the planet from us - I care about humanity. Trouble is, we've already damaged the ecosystem so badly that it is no longer a question of "how can we preserve the ecosystem", it is "how can we prevent drastic climate change with the lowest possible impact". Look at the Yangtze River Dolphin.

edited 12th Jul '13 2:25:45 PM by Achaemenid

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#58143: Jul 12th 2013 at 2:34:46 PM

It's important to make the distinction between a complete extinction event and merely fucking up ecosystem too badly to support us all, because it's why business interests keep going ahead and doing it. Short of nuclear war, there's absolutely nothing they can cause that they won't be in a position to survive.

edited 12th Jul '13 2:35:02 PM by Pykrete

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58144: Jul 12th 2013 at 2:59:55 PM

Eric Holder’s DOJ To Restrict Rules For Monitoring Journalists, Bar Labeling As ‘Co-Conspirators’

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#58145: Jul 12th 2013 at 3:01:00 PM

[up]

A small victory.

EDIT: Can someone please explain the Trayvon Martin case to me? I've tried to avoid it, because the relentless and prejudicial media examination of criminal cases before a verdict is in irritates me, but it seems to be absolutely everywhere atm.

edited 12th Jul '13 3:29:47 PM by Achaemenid

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deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58146: Jul 12th 2013 at 3:39:43 PM

Chinese Official Cracks Joke About How U.S-China Relationship Is Like A Marriage

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#58147: Jul 12th 2013 at 3:41:49 PM

I'm pretty damn certain there's gonna be enough ecosystem left over to provide ecosystem services for Homo stupidus sapiens to survive even if you bring atmospheric carbon dioxide up to 1000 ppm.

Thing is, the process getting there won't be pretty. At all. It will probably involve lots of people fighting over resources, starving, and such. And also lots of places becoming inhabitable. And lots of infrastructure will have to be abandoned because it's built for purposes that don't work anymore (such as submerged subway lines) or in places that are inhabitable.

Also, totally wrecking much of the biodiversity, most likely. We'll be on our own for developing more productive/tolerance crop varieties or miracle drugs for quite a while, after that.

edited 12th Jul '13 3:44:47 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#58148: Jul 12th 2013 at 4:26:59 PM

We're going to cause drought and starve ourselves in large numbers long, long before we make the air anywhere near unbreatheable.

EDIT: Can someone please explain the Trayvon Martin case to me? I've tried to avoid it, because the relentless and prejudicial media examination of criminal cases before a verdict is in irritates me, but it seems to be absolutely everywhere atm.

George Zimmerman is a guy on the neighborhood watch, following a kid named Trayvon Martin who may or may not have been a gangbanger. Police told Zimmerman to step off. He didn't and instead confronted Martin, it looks like Martin turned it physical (since all the non-bullet wounds were on Zimmerman), Zimmerman shot him in response.

The court case is now whether the killing was justified or not. People are yelling about Florida's Stand Your Ground law that lets you use lethal force in self-defense, yelling about Zimmerman being overly aggressive and kinda stalkery, yelling about Martin being a gangbanger, yelling about both, and generally lots of yelling.

edited 12th Jul '13 4:32:23 PM by Pykrete

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#58149: Jul 12th 2013 at 5:12:24 PM

I talked about this case at length with some friends this morning, one of them is a lawyer. It was an interesting conversation.

I felt that Zimmerman was in the wrong and should be found guilty of manslaughter, but at the same time I feel that there is a good chance that he will be acquitted because he didn't break any laws.

My lawyer friend essentially said that he's going to get off and that he didn't do anything wrong, because he has a right to walk around public spaces as he wishes.

My buddy who was with us and works for Jaguar-Landrover as a tech agreed with the Lawyer.

My friend who is retired agreed with me, with the exception that he felt that he would be found guilty, because "Society deems it."

Needless to say I await the verdict with interest. But a few of my friends, as well as the retired guy and the lawyer, all predict huge violent riots across big cities throughout the US if Zimmerman is not found guilty, which I think is stupid. South Florida will probably riot a bit, but I don't think LA or Oakland are really going to get that stirred up for something which happened in Florida. Just like LA didn't give enough of a shit about the BART cop to riot.

^

Not just a guy on neighborhood watch, a self-appointed guy on neighborhood watch. The reason I have so much anger towards Zimmerman is that he's essentially a poster child for the reason the Democratic Empire of Bloomberg pushes anti-gun legislation so hard. Assholes like Zimmerman who go around looking for trouble because they are armed instead of staying away from it despite being armed give gun owners a bad name, and anything that gives Herr Bloomberg more ammunition pisses me off.

edited 12th Jul '13 5:14:08 PM by Barkey

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58150: Jul 12th 2013 at 5:13:27 PM

[up]

I'll be more surprised if more black kids dont die due to stand your ground in the near future if thats the case, though.


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