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KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#58051: Jul 10th 2013 at 7:50:06 PM

[up]He's 66 actually.

On a similar note, isn't illegal immigration at it's lowest and deportation at its highest level ever?

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#58052: Jul 10th 2013 at 7:54:24 PM

Deportations are on hold. As for illegal immigration, thanks to the economic downturn, the numbers of illegal aliens are down.

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deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58053: Jul 10th 2013 at 8:29:38 PM

$30 Billion energy, water spending bill passes House, 227-198

edited 11th Jul '13 4:41:02 AM by deviantbraeburn

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58054: Jul 10th 2013 at 8:45:25 PM

That "all Americans are journalists" is... going to bring up a lot of trouble, I think. For one thing, having a blog does not, in fact, make you a journalist. Given how easy to start a blog it is these days on anything, there's literally nothing guaranteeing journalistic integrity, or stopping any "journalist" from spreading deliberate misinformation or pushing an agenda ala Fox and Friends.

There's a context in which a professional is trying to get a story out, and there's a context in which you're a person just sharing an opinion or story on the internet. One is subject to particular protections afforded specifically to journalists that are ensuring the privacy of informants and such, while the other just falls under the Second Amendment and is not subject to other particulars. Plus, without knowing more about what Durbin actually said I'm not at all sure what to think about his statement. We've had a de jur definition of a journalist for a long time, and in light of that Durbin's statement doesn't seem that bad.

(And frankly, some requirements to become a licensed journalist could stand to be revised anyway in order to be made more sensible; during Occupy there were stories of student journalists that essentially had to break the law in order to qualify under said law for journalists credentials in New York. That's kind of fucked up.)

Edit: And that article seems to buy into the "liberal media agenda" as well, so I'm taking the entire thing with a grain of salt.

edited 10th Jul '13 8:56:27 PM by AceofSpades

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#58055: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:51:02 PM

Besides, who's to say the Government wouldn't just pick journalists it agreed with?

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58057: Jul 10th 2013 at 10:40:15 PM

Well, the thing is is that journalists that work for things like newspapers have to qualify things like media passes, and generally got educated in the field of journalism and have a degree or other background in it. Neither of which you need to take photos and spread them over the internet.

I'm not saying people shouldn't freely disseminate information, particularly if you've got proof of wrongdoing. And I've never said we shouldn't be able to say what we want as we've been guaranteed by the first amendment. I'm just saying that spewing your opinion on the internet doesn't make you a journalist. We have some level of qualifications for that, and it comes with particular protections other than the first Amendment to ensure journalistic integrity and the privacy of the journalist's sources. That article about it is kind of unrealistic about what a journalist is, and doesn't even link to the actual statement it's disputing.

[up]That... is very very odd. I'm also not sure that quite qualifies, but I'm not a constitutional lawyer or a judge.

edited 10th Jul '13 10:51:13 PM by AceofSpades

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#58058: Jul 10th 2013 at 10:49:38 PM

@Ace of Spades, don't you mean the first amendment?

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58059: Jul 10th 2013 at 10:50:38 PM

I probably do, but I've been very tired all day.

Edit: Okay I fixed it.

edited 10th Jul '13 10:51:25 PM by AceofSpades

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#58060: Jul 11th 2013 at 12:02:10 AM

How 'bout this: if you claim the special protections afforded to journalists, then you're also obligated to follow the professional ethics demanded of journalists?

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#58061: Jul 11th 2013 at 12:10:19 AM

Case anyone was wondering the third amendment is this:

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

In other words the army can't just come into town and demand you give then housing. Which was common practice when the Constitution was written.

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#58062: Jul 11th 2013 at 12:30:41 AM

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#58063: Jul 11th 2013 at 3:10:06 AM

How 'bout this: if you claim the special protections afforded to journalists, then you're also obligated to follow the professional ethics demanded of journalists?
Sounds great, now we just need professional news agencies to follow those codes of ethics.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
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#58065: Jul 11th 2013 at 3:37:51 AM

[up] Same.

It'll be better for the US if it includes a UK-style enforcement of neutrality, too. Is there a Union of Journalists in the US?

...and there is: The Newspaper Guild — the reason for its creation was rather interesting.

The Newspaper Guild-CWA is a labor union founded by newspaper journalists in 1933 who noticed that unionized printers and truck drivers were making more money than they did. In addition to improving wages and working conditions, its constitution says its purpose is to fight for honesty in journalism and the news industry's business practices.

edited 11th Jul '13 3:45:45 AM by Greenmantle

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deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#58066: Jul 11th 2013 at 5:01:41 AM

Republican legislators in the House are hitting the Obama administration for regulations on ceiling fans.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#58067: Jul 11th 2013 at 5:12:56 AM

[up]Seriously? The saving in the energy use would offset the cost... what the heck are they on about?

Who paid them to try blocking this? And, how much was it? tongue Alternately... did they just get bored with trying to block health reform, they're hitting any reform, just 'cos? tongue

edited 11th Jul '13 5:14:00 AM by Euodiachloris

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#58068: Jul 11th 2013 at 5:16:28 AM

You are assuming that these people have any clue of how energy conservation works.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58069: Jul 11th 2013 at 5:54:35 AM

I thought the Third Amendment was pretty much irrelevant now that the military had army bases all over the country.

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58070: Jul 11th 2013 at 6:34:51 AM

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Its an easy target becasuse the average uninformed voter will be like "why do we need toi regulate ceiling fans? stupid gubmint and its silly rules herpderp"

IE, its just ludicrous sounding enough at first wheeze to fit the republican narrative of regulations being unneccesary.

edited 11th Jul '13 6:35:40 AM by midgetsnowman

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#58071: Jul 11th 2013 at 7:21:17 AM

The "authorized journalist" thing: It's about the media protecting it's rice bowl and the politicians crying that bloggers are getting a story out.

3rd amendment: the line between police and military is getting waaay to blurry IMO. 'Bout time some people filed a case.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58072: Jul 11th 2013 at 9:49:09 AM

[up]Wouldn't both be covered under the amendment? I thought the army generally took over the role of a police force in those days.

edited 11th Jul '13 9:49:24 AM by Kostya

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#58073: Jul 11th 2013 at 9:54:59 AM

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

...I fail to see what "the line between police and military getting blurry" has anything to do with the third amendment.

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#58074: Jul 11th 2013 at 10:02:25 AM

[up]It means "if cops are not soldiers, cops can do that while soldiers can't. But we're not sure cops whether are or are not soldiers."

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#58075: Jul 11th 2013 at 10:04:52 AM

What are police if not a government-sponsored military force?

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