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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
Happy New Year!
#58027: Jul 10th 2013 at 3:02:39 PM

I'd vote for a candidate who considered them a libertarian socially, and not necessarily fiscally. Am I the only self-declared libertariane the socially conservative well fiscal liberal?

And Bieber is only 19. I would totally be the guy who arrested him for underage drinking if I were a civvie cop in that situation. I'd love doing my level best to throw the book at celebs around here, especially since I live about
Like you've never drunkenly urinated in public while making Incoherent political statements.

edited 10th Jul '13 3:08:00 PM by joeyjojo

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#58028: Jul 10th 2013 at 3:05:09 PM

Oddly enough, Walmart hasn't shut down its British subsidiary Asda, despite there being a minimum wage in Britain. And Asda isn't even the biggest supermarket — that's Tesco.

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#58029: Jul 10th 2013 at 3:08:37 PM

And in Ontario, the minimum wage is currently 10.50/h. Interestingly, Canadian Walmarts tend to be much nicer places than American ones. Probably because Zellers used to be at the bottom of the food chain, so Walmart kind of had to be better than them. Although now that Target has replaced Zellers, Walmart is kind of going downhill. Extremely quickly.

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#58030: Jul 10th 2013 at 3:09:14 PM

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thats because Walmart is more worried about profit than laws. Its just in america, they have enough power they can at least give out threats in an attempt to force the law to bend to them.

hence why our walmarts are also shittier. Because when you give corpiorations an inch, they take a mile

edited 10th Jul '13 3:09:39 PM by midgetsnowman

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#58031: Jul 10th 2013 at 4:50:09 PM

Like you've never drunkenly urinated in public while making Incoherent political statements.

I have, but I was over 21 whenever I've done that. tongue

And it was never in a restaurant!

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58032: Jul 10th 2013 at 5:13:49 PM

You guys make it sound like that's a normal thing to do.

Also I wonder why Wal-Mart think it's threatening to not build stores that don't already exist. Maybe shutting down stores that are already there would be more of a legitimate threat, but that just closes off profit they'd make in the future. But like... it's kind of pointless to threaten people with not giving them something that doesn't already exist.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#58033: Jul 10th 2013 at 5:42:50 PM

I'd vote Barkey for President. I might not agree with his attitude on some things, but I can tell he's willing to go deep into the weeds and consider the details of policy proposals and impacts. For example, I know that he comes to the issue of gun regulations with a very anti-regulatory tone, and I disagree strongly with that, but I can tell he's willing to look at proposals, look at analysis, and ask what measures might be best suited to reduce gun violence most effectively. And that's the kind of attitude that all policymakers should do. (People like Michele Bachmann and the Tea Party and their ideological grandstanding and founding-father quotation-spouting can go fuck themselves anytime, while the rest of us work on practical problems.)

I wonder how a genuine libertarian (pro-gun, pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-business regulations, anti-business subsidies, anti-government spending in both directions; just pure antigovernment) would fare in either party?

Well, there are a number of "genuine" libertarians currently in the Republican Party, for what it's worth.

I think the emphasis you want is not on "genuineness", but on emphasis — you're thinking of someone who cares equally much about so-called "social" libertarianism as much as economic liberalism libertarianism.

Because from what I can tell, there are a lot of people who self-identify as libertarians these days who will say they care about social/civil liberties issues if you ask them. But they spend far more of their time railing against taxes and business regulations than they do against religious bigotry, abortion restrictions, etc.. Simply put, these days, "libertarian" is the new label for conservatives who don't want to identify as "Republican".

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#58034: Jul 10th 2013 at 5:48:43 PM

I wouldn't vote Barkey for president, I wouldn't wish that on him. Let's face it Barks, you'd fucking HATE that job.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58035: Jul 10th 2013 at 5:50:58 PM

Personally I think every president grows to hate the job at least a little bit.

And as far as I'm concerned, "libertarian" is just a warning label that the person you're talking to doesn't really understand how the financial issues they rail about are deeply connected with the social issues they claim to be for.

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#58036: Jul 10th 2013 at 5:58:35 PM

This seems like the place I could ask this, last night on the Rachel Maddow show she was going over how Rand Paul or the Republican party keeps letting overt racist be major players, what with the "Southern Avenger" and some guy who worked with the Heritage foundation and said that Hispanics are basically too stupid and crime-prone to be anymore than parasites to the country, but before them there was something about a white supremacist band or something right?

What exactly was that all about?

joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#58037: Jul 10th 2013 at 6:01:59 PM

Saying you are a libertarian isn't a sign you don't understand complex social issues. It's admission that you don't care.

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deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
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#58038: Jul 10th 2013 at 6:09:12 PM

Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kansas): Trusting Obama with border like trusting Clinton with daughter

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#58039: Jul 10th 2013 at 6:14:45 PM

The border keeps getting stricter between Canada and the States. I'm pretty sure he's doing something about border control.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58040: Jul 10th 2013 at 6:32:26 PM

What is meant by trusting Clinton with his daughter? I never heard about him mistreating her or anything.

theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
What a Wonderful World!
#58041: Jul 10th 2013 at 6:34:09 PM

[up]It was with your daughter.

The Reaper Games starts anew.
deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58042: Jul 10th 2013 at 6:34:34 PM

Jay Carney: GOP critics 'willfully ignorant' on ObamaCare delay

edited 10th Jul '13 7:05:34 PM by deviantbraeburn

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58043: Jul 10th 2013 at 6:38:57 PM

[up][up]Still not getting it. Clinton never molested anybody.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#58044: Jul 10th 2013 at 6:40:55 PM

It was an implication that Clinton basically can't control himself around people's daughters and absolutely will sexually molest or otherwise start a sexual affair. Despite the fact that the affair he did have was with an adult woman over eighteen, thus a father's concerns being pretty much moot as at that point your daughter is an adult capable of making decisions. And thus, that Obama somehow is incapable of doing anything other than sexually molesting immigration laws, I assume, since otherwise I can't figure out what one has to do with the other.

Please note that this is mostly a joke and I am very much aware of how power dynamics made the situation questionable. Still, I'm pretty sure Clinton never made a habit of specifically going after under age girls.

edited 10th Jul '13 6:42:17 PM by AceofSpades

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#58045: Jul 10th 2013 at 6:47:57 PM

That is an incredibly big reach just to make a silly joke.

joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
Happy New Year!
#58046: Jul 10th 2013 at 6:52:48 PM

[up][up][up] Not necessarily your under age daughter.

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#58047: Jul 10th 2013 at 6:53:53 PM

I wouldn't vote Barkey for president, I wouldn't wish that on him. Let's face it Barks, you'd fucking HATE that job.

I totally would. I would really rather just be an adviser on policy. Not someone who necessarily says "Yeah we're doing this." and has decision making power, but I think I would be a decent addition to any leaders pool of people they bounce ideas off of. Regardless of the issues to be honest, because I know when I'm sort of in over my head, and my first response is to do research and find people who do know what they are talking about, and ask them.

I honestly wouldn't be all that good of a president, at least from a PR standpoint. I would satisfy the populace quite a lot entertainment wise when I started telling Senators and Reps to quit "acting like fucking children". But I'd get slaughtered at the hill. I'd be such an absolute threat to so many different pies that the status quo folks have fingers in, that I'd get nuked(politically) somehow in such a heartbeat.

Ironically, I have a feeling that would probably start happening right around the time I attacked corn subsidies. But my base would also be very divided. Conservatives would have to weigh my pro-choice and pro-gay stance with my pro-gun stance, and Liberals would have to weigh the fact that I'm pro-gay and pro-choice with me being pro-gun, and the fact that they would probably say they thought I was kind of a big ol meanie asshole.

Among my hypothetical enemies would be Bloomberg and his cronies, the farm industry, the Clinton cronies, and the military industrial complex. Several groups that are pretty goddamn powerful up at the hill. I'd probably say a bunch of things that really needed to be said, but have a really hard time being able to make any lasting changes.

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58048: Jul 10th 2013 at 7:02:30 PM

Senator Begich (D-Alaska): Sarah Palin “quit on Alaska” as governor and “ has lost touch” with her home state

Edit: It's a fairly simple joke, guys. Bill Clinton is gonna f*ck your (presumably not underage) daughter.

edited 10th Jul '13 7:07:41 PM by deviantbraeburn

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#58049: Jul 10th 2013 at 7:42:23 PM

Clinton's what, 60? If a 60-something has the swag to play around with barely-legals, shouldn't that be an admirable quality?

Hefner's still legendary for it.

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu

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