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Lost in Space
#57976: Jul 10th 2013 at 7:31:42 AM

Libertarians can't win Presidential elections in the U.S., period.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
lordnyx Since: Aug, 2009
#57977: Jul 10th 2013 at 7:54:33 AM

And nonwhites couldn't win Presidential elections until Obama either, things can change. Though I'd rather we not get a libertarian pres anytime soon.

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#57978: Jul 10th 2013 at 8:18:23 AM

The thing about libertarianism is that I've only really seen it being supported among the GOP's primary demographic anyway. It's good for firing up the base and presenting at least a passing effort at intellectual honesty in a political platform, but I see zero reason why someone who votes left traditionally would want to vote libertarian now - especially so soon after a serious financial bust that was directly caused by lack of regulation.

It's like the Tea Party - it looks new, but it's the same old when it comes down to it.

edited 10th Jul '13 8:19:01 AM by Karkadinn

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57979: Jul 10th 2013 at 8:20:17 AM

Justin Bieber Urinates Into Mop Bucket While Yelling ‘F*ck Bill Clinton’

This is relevant because of Bill Clinton.

edited 10th Jul '13 8:20:27 AM by deviantbraeburn

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RTaco Since: Jul, 2009
#57980: Jul 10th 2013 at 8:23:30 AM

Was he alive when Bill was in Office?

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#57981: Jul 10th 2013 at 8:26:16 AM

Probably — but isn't he Canadian?

Keep Rolling On
Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#57982: Jul 10th 2013 at 8:32:13 AM

I'd vote for a candidate who considered them a libertarian socially, and not necessarily fiscally.

In other words someone who is pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-gun, pretty much pro-everything when it comes to letting people do shit. I'm not a fan of social regulation, but I am a fan of regulating big-business.

And Bieber is only 19. I would totally be the guy who arrested him for underage drinking if I were a civvie cop in that situation. I'd love doing my level best to throw the book at celebs around here, especially since I live about 20 minutes from Malibu.

edited 10th Jul '13 8:33:52 AM by Barkey

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#57984: Jul 10th 2013 at 8:56:56 AM

Wait. So if I pint my finger out and say 'bam' I get in trouble at one of these schools? Wth. Why do I keep being surprised by all these stupid rules

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#57985: Jul 10th 2013 at 8:57:59 AM

[up][up] Um...I'm actually agreeing with that. All these ridiculous bans on 'gun-like objects' are doing is showing the kids that adults are terrified of guns. Once the kids are old enough to actually own a gun, they'll have the wrong message about what to use it for.

EDIT: Wow, look at the comments. There's an argument in them about how the schools should be run on a state level. Because that won't be a disaster at all!

edited 10th Jul '13 8:59:42 AM by Zendervai

occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#57986: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:07:34 AM

[up] Well it's at least consistent with say, leaving marriage to the states, despite the federal funding.

I understand the bill, best as I can from a country with no gun culture, but it should except toy guns that aren't obviously toys enough. Some don't have coloured caps or other "This is a toy" identifiers.

Dumbo
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#57987: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:10:13 AM

Schools *are* run at a state level. That's part of the problem.

I would put Japan as the golden model. Very strict standards and universal curricula set at the national level, but let schools compete for tuition dollars how they see fit beyond the strict core curricula requirements. The strict requirements make sure that everyone, public or private schooled, meets the same basic standards, so that a Mississippi high school diploma is worth just as much as a Rhode Island diploma. Meanwhile, free competition forces schools to constantly self-evaluate and self-improve, shaking the public school system out of its own lethargy, and to do so freely, allowing "local values" to still play a part in the process. Essentially, the Feds tell you "what" and the schools determine "how."

deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57988: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:33:38 AM

Senator Harry Reid Rips John Boehner Over Out Of Control House GOP: ‘I Feel Sorry For The Speaker’

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57989: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:35:50 AM

@57982: Isn't that the Democratic agenda, 'xcept with less gun control?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#57990: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:37:03 AM

I wonder how a genuine libertarian (pro-gun, pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-business regulations, anti-business subsidies, anti-government spending in both directions; just pure antigovernment) would fare in either party?

I'd bring up Ron Paul, except he's always been more states-rights than actual libertarian.

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Lost in Space
#57991: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:41:22 AM

The issue of play guns in a school setting is tricky - we expose our kids to media that is rife with weapons and violence but tell them that it's not okay for them to use said ideas in their imaginative play. Is it any wonder that they get confused?

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#57992: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:41:56 AM

He'd crash and burn, I guess. Something tells me that there are strong and deciding groups in both parties that would block him.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#57993: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:43:38 AM

[up][up][up] Barry Goldwater?

The White House on Wednesday threw its support behind a Senate Democratic bill to freeze interest rates on subsidized student loans for one year.

edited 10th Jul '13 9:44:28 AM by deviantbraeburn

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#57994: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:46:33 AM

Probably. Still, if one could get any kind of grassroots support, it might be worth seeing the panic before the unified political establishment came down on his ass.

The Republicans were able to get away with ignoring Ron Paul, sadly, and Rand learned that lesson too well.

We need more big-name libertarians to break left in the coalition-building, instead of breaking right; then we might be able to build some useful support for the libertarian ideas that need to be implemented (like torching the War on Drugs).

[up] Again, "states' rights" is not libertarian but antifederalist.

edited 10th Jul '13 9:47:05 AM by Ramidel

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#57995: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:50:11 AM

In other words someone who is pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-gun, pretty much pro-everything when it comes to letting people do shit. I'm not a fan of social regulation, but I am a fan of regulating big-business.

I vote Barkey for Pres in 2016

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
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Lost in Space
#57998: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:54:45 AM

@Ramidel: By your phrase, "ignoring Ron Paul, sadly", I assume you're referring to the social liberalism that is attached somewhat loosely to his vanilla states' rights position and his isolationism. A package like he espouses has no chance to achieve any kind of significant voice in our elections precisely because it represents such a mishmash of the political landscape. Everyone can find something in his politics to hate, and for that reason he'll never attract enough votes.

For me, Paul's view on drugs is irrelevant; he has that weird "libertarian populism" thing going on where he wants to get the common people to rise up and hand more of their money to rich people in the name of freedom, and as long as that's his game, he's dead to me.

Paul Krugman doesn't get into political science that much, preferring to address things from an economic perspective, but his blog today on income, race, and voting is very interesting. His conclusion is that the Republican-Democrat divide at the voting booth is indisputably not just about rich vs. poor, but very very much about race and religion.

Quoting rather broadly:

Contrary to what some people keep saying, people with higher incomes, other things equal, tend to vote Republican. Cut through the noise and fog, and it is true that Democrats broadly want to redistribute income down, and Republicans want to redistribute income up — and on average, voters get that (which is why “libertarian populism” is hot air). But race and ethnicity also matter, a lot. What you can see right away is that there are three groups that are fairly anomalous.

1. African-Americans “should” lean Democratic, given their low incomes, but they are much more Democratic than this alone would predict.

2. Southern whites are just as much of an anomaly; they have close to the national median income,and “should” be pretty evenly split between parties, but instead are almost entirely Republican.

3. Asian-Americans are relatively high-income, but also strongly Democratic. Although I don’t have the data, Jews would surely look similar.

There really isn’t any mystery, of course, about these anomalies. Despite occasional attempts to widen its appeal, the GOP has effectively defined itself as the party of white Christians — and there are still a lot of historical memories that go with that definition.

edited 10th Jul '13 9:56:09 AM by Fighteer

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TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
NCC - 1701
#57999: Jul 10th 2013 at 9:59:12 AM

Oh, shit. Just realized Barkey is pro-choice. Fuck. (thinks it over) Hell, whatever.

VOTE FOR THE BARK IN 2016!

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deviantbraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#58000: Jul 10th 2013 at 10:01:44 AM

The Senate on Wednesday failed to advance a bill backed by Democratic leaders that would keep student loan interest rates at 3.4 percent for another year.

edited 10th Jul '13 10:04:15 AM by deviantbraeburn

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